Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Voivode of Transylvania/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:GrahamColm 10:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC).

Voivode of Transylvania

 * Nominator(s): Borsoka (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I hope it can be improved to reach FA status without substantial changes. Borsoka (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

A few comments, not a complete review: - Dank (push to talk)
 * "This article is about the royal governors of Transylvania in the Kingdom of Hungary between the 11th and 16th centuries. For the rulers of the Principality of Transylvania in the 16th and 17th centuries, see Prince of Transylvania. For the members of the Hungarian royal family bearing the title duke of Transylvania in the 13th or 14th century, see Duke of Transylvania. ... Many place names in this article are given in German, Hungarian and Romanian, as all these languages were spoken by various communities in the territory at various times.": Too much meta-information for the lead section
 * Shortened. Thank for your comments. Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "The Voivode of Transylvania or voevode of Transylvania": The voivode of Transylvania (since there are so many spellings in the lead paragraph, the lead would probably be better off without this one, but if you keep it, don't repeat Transylvania). - Dank (push to talk) 23:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "Voevode of Transylvania" deleted. Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "Latin: voivoda Transsylvaniae or vaivoda Transsilvanus": Since the Latin is so close to the English, it would be better to remove it from the lead section.
 * "Vaivoda Transsilvanus" deleted, but one Latin expression preserved (in the Middle Ages, Latin was the language of all official documents in the Kingdom of Hungary). Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "superior of the ispáns": the word "superior" leaves open the question of whether they were the most influential ispáns themselves in addition to their other duties.
 * New wording. Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "their jurisdiction never covered the whole province": "superior of the ispáns" means all of them ... so, it's not all of them, right? Maybe "most of the ispáns"
 * Yes, they were the superiors of all the ispáns of the c o u n t i e s, but they did not have jurisdiction over the autonomous Transylvanian Saxon and Székely communities (which were organized into "seats" instead of counties). The latter information added. Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "to "grant lands, collect taxes and tolls, or coin money" (Jean W. Sedlar)": Who's Jean W. Sedlar?
 * Deleted (only the reference to his book is preserved). Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "the last voivodes of Transylvania from the Báthory family ceased to be high-ranking officials": I take it this is nonrestrictive, and if so, you need commas at least, and personally, I prefer more than that, to make sure the readers get it: the last voivodes of Transylvania (from the Báthory family) ..., or the last voivodes of Transylvania, who came from the Báthory family, ...
 * Done. Borsoka (talk) 03:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll stop there. - Dank (push to talk) 23:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Query "and even resisted King Andrew III in the fortress of Adorján" I'm not sure whether that means "and even besieged King Andrew III in the fortress of Adorján" or "and was besieged by King Andrew III in the fortress of Adorján".  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  07:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * New wording. Thanks for your comment. Borsoka (talk) 07:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Image review
 * As Romania does not have freedom of panorama, all images of 3D things (including buildings) should include a licensing tag for the 3D object as well as the image. The ones you're using should be all old enough to use life+100
 * File:Siebenbürgen_1300-1867.jpg: was a base map used to create this image? It looks scanned from somewhere maybe
 * File:Transylvania16cent_adm_div.PNG: source(s)?
 * File:Dobo_istvan.jpg needs US PD tag and original source (where did it come from before hu.wiki?)
 * File:Scibor2.jpg needs US PD tag, and any more source info?
 * File:Ioan_de_Hunedoara.jpg needs US PD tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Dear Nikkimaria, thank you for your above remarks. My main concern is that I could not answer your above questions, because I did not do any of those pictures or maps. I am a little bit confused, because all of them have been presented in WP for a long time. Would you please advice me on the proper approach in this case. Thank you in advance. Borsoka (talk) 10:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Borsoka. Where it's possible for you to add tags, try to do so - there are long lists here and here that might help. If you can find sources where queried through web searches, add those too. Failing that, you can try asking the uploader, if they're still active. Let's see where we stand once you've done these steps. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your above remarks. Sorry, but I am a simple man with no copyright experiences and I do not want to deal with copyright issues. Accordingly, I will not add any tags. If those pictures or maps are suspected to harm copyright of any country in the world, they should be deleted without delay from Commons. Actually, I do not understand how it is possible that those pictures and maps have not been deleted yet. Borsoka (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I am a bit surprised to see that the article barely mentions Romanians when they constituted the majority of the population. No historian has commented on this issue? Nergaal (talk) 06:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you, please, specify your concern? As far as I know the article refers to all the documented cases when there was a direct connection between the voivodes or their deputies and the Romanians (who might have or might have not constituted the majority of the population in Transylvania in the Middle Ages). Is there any other relevant field of interaction which was ignored? Borsoka (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Graham Colm (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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