Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Walden–Wallkill Rail Trail/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Laser brain 03:55, 31 January 2011.

Walden–Wallkill Rail Trail

 * Nominator(s): Gyrobo (talk) 15:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The smaller of two rail trails created from the defunct Wallkill Valley Railroad's corridor, the Walden – Wallkill Rail Trail stretches between two counties in upstate New York. While not as widely known as the larger, northern trail, it nonetheless sports a peaceful and scenic route, all its own. The trail was finally paved less than two years ago, much to the chagrin of the region's horseback riders. Gyrobo (talk) 15:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Source comments – Spot-checked a good number of the online sources for verification and close paraphrasing, and everything turned up fine. Did find a couple little formatting issues, though: Source reliability also looks okay.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 16:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In reference 13, the page number is given as pp., when it should be p. since it's a single page. Just switching the pages= parameter in the cite template to page= will fix it.
 * The publisher of reference 26 (Hudson Valley Parent) is a magazine, and therefore should be italicized.
 * Fixed. --Gyrobo (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Disambig/External Link check - no dabs or dead external links. -- Pres N  21:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Images - I would like an WP:OTRS for File:P_train.svg, and the works it is derived from Fasach Nua (talk) 11:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a portal image, so this really isn't the right place to discuss that. A more appropriate venue would be the related Wikiproject. The SVG version of the file appears to be a complete recreation based only on the general shape of the original (there are many design differences), and I see no reason to do anything about the original PNG; both images are purportedly original works placed on Wikipedia by their authors and I don't think OTRS extends that far. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose on FA Criterion 3. Images used in this article that are licensed as free cannot be verified to be in the public domain, 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Which images are you talking about? --Gyrobo (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * File:P_train.svg Fasach Nua (talk) 18:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't act on your comments. The image isn't part of the article, it's in a portal. I have no idea how to change the image the portal uses, nor would I want to. Both the raster and vector versions of that image were created for Wikipedia, and were placed under free licenses by their original authors. --Gyrobo (talk) 19:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Utter fail Nothing to action on this oppose. If you can't accept File:P train.svg as a good faith upload, it says more about the reviewer than it does the licensing of the image.  Having the uploader send an email to OTRS saying "Yes, I actually made this image", makes no difference whatsoever. 87.114.237.192 (talk) 01:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The oppose is clearly actionable, the addition of this content was an editorial decision made by the author's of this article, and it's inclusion is an integral part of the FA assessment, as for the "utter failure" comment, the requirement of FAC is that all content will pass verifiability and the licensing of this image fails that component of the FA criteria and as such the article falls short of the requirements of FA. Fasach Nua (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * File:LogoOV.png was placed into the public domain by its original author, and File:P train.svg was placed under a free license by its original author. If you have evidence that either image is non-free, please present it; P train.svg is being used on every train-related talk page, and every other page that links to Portal:Trains. You are completely misrepresenting the purpose of WP:V, and your cryptic comments on this FAC are bordering on disruptive. --Gyrobo (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're going to assume bad faith on Commons uploads, then how would an OTRS email placate you? That could just as easily be bad faith.  Heck, maybe Gyrobo's lying and he's actually stolen File:Wallkill trailhead.jpg. Take this to commons. - hahnch e n 00:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This conversation about the portal image continues in great detail here. --Gyrobo (talk) 03:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Support The prose reads well, and the article's references are very tidy (and many ;)). -- Eisfbnore  talk 20:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note, four minutes after you edited the article, you edited a smiley template, and one minute after that you added it to this FAC. Please see the instructions at WP:FAC regarding templates-- they cause the FAC archives to pass template limits.  How much time did you spend reviewing the article-- tidy references are a minor part of the criteria.  Since your account is less than a month old, I thought it helpful to point you to the criteria.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:10, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you trying to say that my vote was "wrong", since I used a smiley template?! Also, didn't you read my comment on the prose? Why do you erect such straw men? And just for the record, my account was established in October 2009... -- Eisfbnore  talk 21:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: I've been watching this since it was nominated, since the article name isn't correct (faulty endash at least, perhaps more), and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. And there are no redirects from the other names listed in the first sentence of the article.  Please enlist help to get the article named correctly and all of the FAC pieces moved correctly to the right place: it's complicated. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the fault is, but I've eliminated the spaces before and after the en dash (range issue?). I'm not aware of any areas where it doesn't meet the FA criteria; that's why I've nominated it. --Gyrobo (talk) 21:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've repaired the FAC page; you need a redirect from Jesse McHugh Rail Trail (why is that not the article name, btw?) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The brochures available at kiosks at both trailheads have "Walden - Wallkill (vertical text) Rail Trail (horizontal text)" plastered on the cover page, but I agree with your concerns over the trail's name. It was paved out to Walden less than two years ago, and you can see a series of page moves I made while trying to discern its common name. Scans of the brochure (without the cover) are here, where it's only referred to as "The Rail Trail". But "Jesse McHugh Rail Trail" referred only to the portion in the town of Shawangunk; the current trail includes that but continues much farther. I can't think of a better name than "Walden–Wallkill Rail Trail". --Gyrobo (talk) 21:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good-- I think the article name is squared away now, and everything is in the right place. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. A very nice article. It's short and very straightforward. However, I'd like to suggest a few improvements:
 * 1) "By October 2003, Walden, Shawangunk and Montgomery had acquired a $600,000 grant." perhaps could be changed to "In October 2003, Walden, Shawangunk and Montgomery acquired the $600,000 grant needed to begin paving the trail." or similar.
 * Done. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) "The outgoing 109th Congress did not approve a 2006 budget bill which would have provided $200,000 to pave the trail." to "However, further financial support failed to materialize when the outgoing 109th Congress did not approve a 2006 budget bill which would have provided $200,000 to pave the trail."
 * I changed the text, but I used different phrasing. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) "In February 2008, Congressman Maurice Hinchey announced the appropriation of $351,000 to complete the project" to "On the other hand, in February 2008, Congresman Maurice..."
 * That kind of makes it seem as though the sources are contradictory, when it's just that one bill was passed two years after the first failed. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) "Construction began on September 22, 2008" to "Construction at last began on..."
 * That seems to be adding additional value to what the source says. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Lastly, I believe the two last paragraphs in the History section (the one that begins with "By October 2003, Walden" and the other that starts with "The outgoing 109th Congress") should be put together as one paragraph only. With the changes I suggested, it would be like this:
 * "In October 2003, Walden, Shawangunk and Montgomery acquired the $600,000 grant needed to begin paving the trail. Two months later, Bob and Doris Kimball, a couple in Montgomery, donated 20 acres (8.1 ha) of their land to create a park by the trail near Lake Osiris Road. The park is expected to be developed once funds are available to do so. However, further financial support failed to materialize when the outgoing 109th Congress did not approve a 2006 budget bill which would have provided $200,000 to pave the trail. On the other hand, in February 2008, Congressman Maurice Hinchey announced the appropriation of $351,000 to complete the project. Construction at last began on September 22, 2008, and the paved 3.22-mile (5.18 km) trail opened on May 2, 2009."
 * Done. --Gyrobo (talk) 16:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The way it is now, looks like separate pieces of text that were put together. Just suggestions. P.S.: Don't mind with the image copyright discussion. It's not the first time something similar occurs. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Racepacket (talk) 06:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


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