Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 17:48, 9 February 2010.

Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park

 * Nominator(s): Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 

We are nominating this for featured article because we believe it represents some of the best work that Wikipedia has to offer regarding state parks. Although it is not the main article on Ricketts Glen State Park, it follows a format and style very similar to that of six other state park featured articles we have worked on, the two most recent being Cherry Springs State Park and Upper Pine Bottom State Park. It has undergone an extensive peer review (thanks to and U|Brianboulton) and we want to thank all of the editors who helped choose the images here. We also checked at WT:FAC to make sure this was not too list-y and OK to submit to FAC, here. This is a beautiful park and the waterfalls in it are its most famous attraction. We hope this article does justice to them. Thanks in advance for any feedback, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Technical comments
 * No dab links or dead external links.
 * Alt text is present and generally good, though some parts could use a copyedit. For example, please check the text for File:Ricketts_Glen_State_Park_Murray_Reynolds_and_Shingle_Cabin_Falls.jpg and File:Ricketts_Glen_State_Park_Onondaga_Falls_4.jpg. Ucucha 15:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for checking these, I have copyedited both alt texts, hopefully they are now better. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have copyedited alt text through the end of the Ricketts Glen section now. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Support: I reviewed this carefully written and beautifully illustrated article in mid-January. All of my concerns have been addressed, and I'm certain that the article meets the requirements for FA. Finetooth (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your kind wortds, help selecting images, peer review, and support, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support. Dincher (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for checking those, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Support: My one comment is that, at 450px, the lead map overwhelms the text. I know comments are often made about unreadably small maps, but in this case 350px would be more than adequate (I've tried it out), and I strongly recommend you resize to this. The only other observation I have is that because of its length and multiplicity of images, the page takes an age to load - a couple of times I got timeouts. Maybe I should update my software. I mentioned the overall quality of the article at peer review, and I am happy to reiterate its praises here; a magnificent achievement, well deserving of promotion. Brianboulton (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your peer review and very kind words. I have resized the map per your suggestion. I know from the National Register of Historic Places WikiProject talk page that the coordinates templates also slow page loads, as do the convert templates. In a few articles we have replaced the convert templates to speed load times, not sure if that would be worth it here - I would not want to remove any of the images. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support. We added 120 images to List of Pennsylvania state parks without slowing the loading of the article. I think the slow loading is due to the convert template. Which I can live with or without. Dincher (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed all of the convert templates (over 100) and hope it loads faster now. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Now loading in about 20 secs on my machine, and I reckon that's OK. Brianboulton (talk) 11:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking and glad it is somewhat faster. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Only minor change I would suggest would be to add a text instruction within the lead map clarifying how to enlarge it. Other than that, it looks to be a superb piece of work. Mighty Antar (talk) 01:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much - clicking on the image of two rectangles in the caption allows the reader to enlarge the map here (or any thumbnail image). I am not sure how to say this succinctly in the caption, will think about how to try and do it, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked the map caption, hopefully this is clearer. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Support with regard to Criterion 1a. An engaging contribution, so well-written I can almost smell the water. The photographs are beautiful. Whoever lives in this part of the world in very lucky indeed. Thanks for the virtual tour; I really enjoyed it. Graham Colm (talk) 15:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your very kind words and support. Glad you enjoyed the tour - even in Pennsylvania, Ricketts Glen is unique. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support. Dincher (talk) 18:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.