Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wintjiya Napaltjarri/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 20:57, 16 September 2010.

Wintjiya Napaltjarri

 * Nominator(s): hamiltonstone (talk) 04:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I'm on a mission to make freely accessible online, information about the people who have contributed to the 'last great art movement of the 20th century', and Australia's only domestic art movement of international significance: contemporary Indigenous Australian art. Thanks to User:HJ Mitchell for the GA review; User:Belovedfreak for additional comments, and User:Elcobbola for comments re the non-free use image. Just to foreshadow discussion about that image: Elcobbola raised three concerns. Two All (whether there was enough specific reference in the text to image features to warrant non-free use under NFCC#8; and an incorrect licensing tag) have hopefully now been addressed; one (resolution of the image) has not. I don't know how to alter image resolutions, but i was also worried that if it went much lower the image features might start to become jagged. I welcome advice or action on this last point if the consensus is that it is currently at too high a resolution. Thank you for your consideration. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Comment - no dabs or deadlinks. PL290 (talk) 09:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support, comments addressed. Does the Aboriginal Art Museum in Utrecht merit a red link, though? I admit I'd never heard of it. Ucucha 11:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC) Comments (all minor)—
 * Re the museum. Normally I'd be inclined to redlink it, but coverage seems very limited beyond those works that cite it as a collection holding the works of various artists. It may be better cited in Dutch language sources, i don't know. Odd, given that it is by its own account "the only museum in Europe that is entirely dedicated to contemporary Aboriginal art from Australia". I figure if I ever get to writing about it, i can do links at that time. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You give the state or territory for most but not all of the publisher locations, and abbreviate Northern Territory but not South Australia.
 * OK, all Australian locations are now in the format 'city, abbreviated state'. hamiltonstone (talk) 06:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What is weaking?
 * weaving. sorry - fixed. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Please be consistent in using double or single quotes.
 * think this is now fixed. will have to come back to the first pt later hamiltonstone (talk) 12:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ucucha 10:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I uploaded a lower-resolution version of the non-free image. Ucucha 10:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks!


 * Comment: This is obviously a topic of genuine academic interest, and it'd be great to see some featured articles on the topic, but I come away from the (rather short) article not feeling that I know much about her. Who was she before she became an artist? Do we have a list of her works? Does she work primarily as an artist? I think there's so much more to be said here- I'd be inclined to say that it fails criterion 1b. J Milburn (talk) 11:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are reasonable questions. I have tried to squeeze a little more out of the sources (diff), but it does not go far toward answering your concern. Your queries go to some significant issues regarding the documentation and understanding of Australia's Indigenous artists, particularly those from remote communities. Frequently almost nothing is known of these individuals prior to their becoming artists. In some cases the identity of their parents or spouses is not reported; birth dates are at best estimates; current residence is sometimes a mystery. For only a handful of artists can biographies be found that are longer than a single page, despite many of these individuals having painted hundreds of works, selling for thousands of dollars each, and having been finalists or even winners of significant art prizes. Some writers, such as John McDonald and Nicholas Rothwell, have remarked on the lack of depth to much commentary and art criticism when it comes to works of Indigenous art. In this environment, it has taken a great deal of leafing through various books to assemble the limited material such as you see in this WP article. Whether it is enough, i'll have to leave it to others to judge. While I agree it would be good to know more, there is surprisingly little more to be known. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's well-written and well-researched. As far as criterion 1b goes, although it would be nice to see more about this artist, I think you really have got everything you can out of the sources available.-- Beloved Freak  11:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - nice article and enjoyable read - accurately reflects the limitations on verifiable information we have. I was reduced to the nitpickiest of nitpicks in copyediting. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: as the nomination statement indicates, I checked images in this article pre-FAC and my concerns have indeed all been addressed. Images look good. Эlcobbola  talk 14:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. Were this an article on a Western European artist I would indeed have expected to see a little more biographical detail, but of course it isn't. I think this is about as comprehensive an account of the life and work of a relatively obscure indigenous Australian artist as could reasonably be expected. Malleus Fatuorum 12:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Query, spelt? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with "spelt"? It's the past participle of "spell". Malleus Fatuorum 19:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you say so ! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


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