Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Wonder World Tour/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 00:24, 16 April 2011.

Wonder World Tour

 * Nominator(s): ipodnano05 * leave@message 04:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I feel the article meets the criteria to become a Featured Article in Wikipedia. It has already been been granted Good Article status and received a peer review in the past. And, I think it's ready now. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 04:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Images
 * File:Wonder_World_Tour_poster.png - FUR needs some work. "The image is significant in identifying the subject of the article, which is the song." - no, the subject is the tour, not the song. "The image is used in the article section giving a visual description of the poster released for the tour." - no, it's in the infobox. "The image has a brief description that identifies the image, notes the source, and provides attribution to the copyright holder." - no, you don't tell us who has copyright. Also, licensing tag is incorrect, as this is not an album cover.
 * Done


 * File:Miley_Cyrus_-_Wonder_World_Tour_-_Breakout.jpg - need a more informative description than "A teenage girl singing" (as for other images with similar description). Also, who holds copyright for the stage design and props (like whatever that big thing behind her is)?
 * Text has been aletered. And since the images are under Commons, I don't think they belong to anyone. They are free images. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 01:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily true - images can be erroneously transferred or uploaded to Commons without being free. I'm not sure of US copyright laws surrounding stage design, which is why I'm not opposing over this issue, but it's still something you should look into. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The images passed Flickr review and meet Commons guidelines. They are surely free images. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 01:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think what Nikki means is that a photo of a copyrighted work (like the stage) might not be "free" under one of the quirks of American copyright law. I'm a copy editor, not a copyright lawyer, but I don't see anything in the design that's original enough for copyright to apply, with the possible exception of the motorbike. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't even think so because, then Commons wouldn't have any images of motorcycles or cars for that matters, which they clearly do. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 22:02, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Some sandwiching and stacking of images on my screen. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not on my screen. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 01:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with any of the commons images FOP doesnot apply here at all. They are free to be used in the article. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 14:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Lead Comments Hi there. I'll leave a longer review later, but I'm reviewing the lead for now. Here's what I have for you so far:


 * All comments were taken care of. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 18:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, looks good! I'll leave you a review for the rest of the article later.-RHM22 (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

More comments: I'm still not finished with this review! I apologize for my slowness. Anyway, I'll try to get to the rest of it tomorrow. For now, here are few more comments in addition to the miscellaneous minor fixes I made throughout.

Development:

"The Wonder World Tour was titled accordingly because of its diversity in themes and styles." "Accordingly" doesn't seem to be in the proper context here. Maybe something like "The Wonder World Tour was so named because..." or "Wonder World Tour was chosen as the title because..."
 * Done.

"The reason for the prior to occur was because..." sounds very awkward. Maybe something like "the reason for this was..." Later on in that sentence, it says "Cyrus felt more confident as a vocalist to perform stunts and use props while singing.", which I don't understand the meaning of. Did you mean that using props made her feel more comfortable on stage? If so, I would suggest rewording it as such: "Cyrus felt more confident while performing stunts and using props during her performances."
 * The first part was done. In regards to the other part, not really. What I meant is that, since her voice grew, she became more confident as a vocalist. Therefore, she was able to use props while singing. Before, she did not want to use props because she didn't feel she could do that and sing at the same time. Am I being clear? -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 18:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

"Ideas were given by different people and experimented during filmed rehearsals to filter which ideas would make the final cut." This is also awkward. Maybe something like "Ideas were suggested by different individuals and were tested during filmed rehearsals in order to decide which would make the final cut." Also, it might be a good idea to explain who the people are that gave the ideas (employees, friends, planners etc)
 * I would, but the interview just says people. It doesn't specify. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 18:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's fine then. There's nothing you can do if your source doesn't say anything else!-RHM22 (talk) 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

"tractor-resembling car" sounds extremely awkward. I'm not sure what to replace it with, but it looks very odd in there. -RHM22 (talk) 04:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What about car that resembled a tractor? I don't know. They both seem awkward to me. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 18:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That is a tough one. Was it a car made to look like a tractor? If so, maybe something like "a car altered to resemble a tractor" might be better.-RHM22 (talk) 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That's basically it. I changed it. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 20:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments: Ok, my review is finished. I fixed several minor typos and grammar stuff, but I do have two more suggestions for you.

Bus accident

"Bumped up" seems incredibly informal, especially for an FAC. It should probably be "injured" or something like that. "Zilio was later able to return to work on the Wonder World Tour with some injuries and a bit rattled, but in fine condition." Maybe something like "Zilio was later able to return to work on the tour, despite some minor injuries." Also, maybe something like "Bus incident" would be a better header. It's not a huge deal, but "incident" just sounds better to me. It's your call on that one.
 * Replaced with "suffered minor injuries"
 * Reworded
 * Any is fine with me. But "incident" is more general. It could be any sort of event. Accident has more of an impact. But if you want to change it, I will. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 02:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's fine the way it is.-RHM22 (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

General comments:

My biggest problem with the article is the multitude of images of Cyrus performing. They're nice photos, but it seems like there are too many of them and a number of them are not really in the relevant sections. Maybe replacing some of the ones of her performing with some photos of the other people discussed in the article would help to even it out a little bit.
 * I'm sorry but there are no free images of the personnel. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 02:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I copyedited the entire article, but I still think it needs a good once over from another set of eyes. Perhaps it would be a good idea to leave a request with the Guild of copyeditors and see if anyone over there would like to give it a check. Ok, that's it!-RHM22 (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a decent copy-editor (and MoS wonk), but somewhat pressed for time. If you could be more specific about what you feel needs attention, I'll do what I can. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not certain that there's any one section that could use copyediting, just a once over of the whole article in case I missed anything (and I'm sure I did!) For instance, "Cyrus" is repeated a lot throughout the article. I fixed a few of them, but there are still some that look awkward when replaced with "she", so I left those alone. Someone else looking at the article might not think it necessary for it to be copyedited, but there a few interruptions in the flow to my eye.-RHM22 (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Support The article reads good now, and though I still think it could use a minor copyedit, I believe it should make "the climb" to featured article!-RHM22 (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Sources comments: Nitpicks.
 * Non-print sources should not be italicized (e.g. MTV News, CNN etc)
 * Done.
 * See Ref 7
 * Done.


 * Ref 21: The source appears to be the recording of a song, yet the text cited to it seems to be mainly about Miley Cyrus's various changes of clothing. How does this work?
 * It cites the DVD of a concert of the tour, which was included in that CD. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 23:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ref 9: "MTV. Viacom"; Ref 25: "MTV. Getty Images". Why the difference?
 * The latter was corrected. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 23:20, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ref 35: Why the use of parentheses? - and "retrieved" rather than "Retrieved".
 * Done.


 * Ref 40: "retrieved" lower case
 * Done.

Otherwise sources seem to be OK, though I have not had time for any significant spotchecking. Brianboulton (talk) 20:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments Not too bad, mostly minor prose issues Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Some more comments: Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The poster's FUR needs improving; "To provide a visual companion to an informative article" isn't really a good enough reason to use non-free content
 * Done.
 * "The tour was made" → The tour was held
 * Done.
 * "It began in September 2009 and concluded in December 2009, visiting cities in the United States and United Kingdom; thus, the Wonder World Tour became Cyrus' first world tour." - don't like the use of "thus" here as the two parts of the sentence aren't really related. Also maybe change "world" to "international"
 * Why doesn't it relate? It covered the United Kingdom, a new territory for her. Her last tour was also international because it covered Canada. This covers another continent and that is usually referred to as a "world tour". -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The current wording is slightly confusing as when I read it I thought it meant her first tour. Maybe I'm a bit thick, but it may be a good idea to stipulate that it was her first world tour but not her first tour?
 * Exactly. It says that the Wonder World Tour is her second tour on the very first sentence. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 05:04, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I bet you think I'm the height of stupidity. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "The full-length concert film was released on the limited, deluxe edition of Cyrus' third studio album" - no need for comma
 * It does. Commas are used to separate coordinate adjectives, such as here - well, at least in the US. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "furthering her distance from Hannah Montana franchise" - needs a "the" before Hannah
 * Done.
 * "including Cyrus' then-active Twitter account" - remove "then-active"
 * Done. She renewed it! :D -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:CAPTION - captions that are full sentences require captions, those that are not do not
 * Done.
 * "the average rehearsal period is about three months" - for Cyrus? For pop musicians?
 * Done.
 * why is the Best of Both Worlds Tour linked in "Development"?
 * Done.
 * "It consisted of a rectangular main stage, which features staircases that elevate the center of the stage, a narrow runway, and a B-stage that runs the length of the main stage and connected to the main stage by the runway" - changes tense multiple times
 * Done.
 * "Cyrus noted that it's" - don't use contractions except in direct quotes
 * Done.
 * "multi-screen, video units" - why the comma?
 * Done.
 * "The structure of the video panels was designed by Jammal Sims" - do not need his first name as you have already mentioned him
 * Done.
 * "to go airborne" isn't flash prose
 * Airborne just means to be moving through the air. You think it sounds informal? -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant the "to go" part. What about "to become"? Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * "asking them to bring their "hopes, wishes, and dreams."" - quotes should be followed directly by a ref
 * Done.
 * "Because it came along late in the design process, the main elevator was not built to handle the weight of the car" - I don't think you have mentioned any car before this (I may be wrong). Explain "the car"
 * It is already mentioned and described in the sentence before. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry! Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "silver, flowing, evening gown" - no need for commas
 * Done.
 * I suggest you give the article a read-through and copy-edit it. I can give more examples for you to fix, if you wish.
 * Please do so. Thank you for all your help. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Unlink Trace Cyrus in the synopsis as it is linked beforehand
 * Done.
 * " [i]f there was any worries that Miley Cyrus" → "if there [were] any worries that Miley Cyrus"
 * Done.
 * The picture in the 'Bus accident' section is inappopriate here
 * Why? -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 05:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with the accident.
 * "One person, Bill "Uncle Bill" Douglas, a 53-year-old of Austin, Texas, died at the scene of the accident" - mention his role in the tour
 * Done.
 * The 'Opening act' section should be in the 'Setlist' section (maybe a subsection?)
 * I don't think so, because the setlist refers to the main artist and since this is beforehand, I think it is placed well. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 05:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Who published the press release ref (#3)?
 * Done.
 * It is unclear that ref 14 is a video (I found out in the cite template). Is the video available online? How are readers able to access the video?
 * They were reward videos sent to those who purchased their tickets with an American Express credit cards. Since it was exclusive for that, the video does not appear on the American Express website. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 05:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This concerns me - how are readers supposed to access this info? Is there another, more accessible source that could be used as a replacement?
 * The videos are posted on YouTube if readers want to see them. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 05:55, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK then. Could you please add a release date (or at least a year)? Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Ref 46 is a press release - use cite press release
 * Done.
 * Allmusic ref (#47) - Allmusic does not need to be italicised
 * Done.
 * Conditional support I want the boxscore sources issue to be sorted out, as outlined by Legolas below. Otherwise, a comprehensive, well-written article. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment Possibly oppose. I see a real problem with the boxscore references. Only two reference is used to justify them, but they neither have any issue date, nor any publication date. Furthermore, I have access to Billboard and can say that WW tour is present in 10 different issues. So that whole table fails WP:OR. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 14:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to do about it, quite frankly. I trusted that someone had added them with correct references. I don't know how to add it, nor do I have a subscription to Billboard magazine. I'm sorry, but can you please help? -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 22:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can help, but it will take hell lot of time, something I dont think/not sure the FAC will cover. I think you know my present condition Ipod, hence... It really takes time to search billboard.biz archives. Note to you for future references, always ask editors like me or Eric—people who have access to archives—to check these things. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 12:51, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh god, I had forgotten. I'm so sorry. I'll ask Eric for hep myself. I don't want to put a burden on you. -- <b style="font-family:tahoma; color:LightBlue;">ipodnano05</b> * <sup style="font-family:tahoma; color:SteelBlue;">leave@message 18:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


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