Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/XIII (video game)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ucucha 13:55, 20 November 2012.

XIII (video game)

 * Nominator(s): Tomcat (7) 22:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

XIII is a first-person shooter/action game/stealth game based on a comic book. It features a cel-shaded animation, producing a comic-like world. You are playing a confused guy who lost his identity. Tomcat (7) 22:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it satisfies the Featured Article Criteria, and what has been preparation for this candidature? Graham Colm (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The sequel section is overly short, especially since the game does not have its own article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted and nothing much can be said about the sequel. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 09:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I doubt that there is no more that could be found in its credits. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Really, there is no more information.--Tomcat (7) 11:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you were to play the game I doubt there would not be a credit screen. Such a credit screen would at least have the company that made the game. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I added the publisher and the exact date. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose pending a thorough copy-editing. The article, while interesting, does not meet the required standards for professional prose. For example, "which pop-ups everytime a headshot is performed" - this is grammatically incorrect. Another example is "dark-mooded but yet funky", which is redundant. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I reworded to "when a headshot is performed". I removed the bit. I don't think it does not meet the criteria. Perhaps a few bits could be changed but no strong copyedits are needed. You could state which sections are problematic and I reword it. Regards. --Tomcat (7) 21:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed to "pops-up"--Tomcat (7) 21:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * She does not want to speak with me. I think this oppose can be ignored.--Tomcat (7) 15:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was planning on waiting until I had time for a run of reviews, but as you will: my oppose stands pending a good copy-editing. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Oppose This article is not up to featured article standards right now


 * Link "Mac OS X" upon first mention in lede per WP:UNDERLINK
 * Ok, but who cares? The reader can see the link in the infobox


 * "only the Mac OS X version" remove "only" as redundant and unneeded, and doesn't appeal to neutral point of view
 * "Also" is not redundant. It describes that it was only issued in one platform.


 * Unlink "protagonist" per WP:OVERLINK
 * It is neither a jargon nor a common word, so I feel it should be linked.


 * "The game received mixed reception by publications" surely not by all, suggest adding "generally" to clear things up further
 * It is clear from the context that the overall reception is meant.


 * Statements like "76/100" should be written out fully as "76 out of 10", as followed respectively, please check. Same goes for stuff like "74%"
 * Should be? Is it your opinion? Not done.


 * "Xbox consoles" remove "consoles" and redundant and unneeded, and replace with "Xbox" and "Xbox 360" as well, if that's what you meant there, or just remove if needed
 * Xbox 360 was released ages later, so what exactly do you mean? And consoles should stay to indicate that Microsoft Windows and Mac aren't consoles.


 * Link "Mac", "iPhone", and "iPad" per WP:UNDERLINK upon first mention in lede
 * Already in the infobox.


 * "A reimagining of the game, the point-and-click adventure game" not keen on "game" again right near each other, perhaps replace "of the game" at the start of it, replacing with "of it" or something
 * Why are you not keen? Nevermind, I replaced it with the title.


 * Per WP:IMAGELOCATION, image shall not start at the beginning of sections for readability and access. That said, the gameplay violates this, and should be moved further down or something to prevent this issue from happening
 * It is a guideline, so I have the right to ignore it.


 * Link again upon first mention after lede per WP:REPEATLINK, lots aren't again after lede, as well as WP:LEDE issue here
 * Already linked.


 * Avoid using the "&" ampersand symbol per WP:&
 * Done.


 * "working on a game called XIII" to "working on the development of video game XIII" for a more engaging prose
 * Not sure what is engaging in your example.


 * "the game would create" to clear things up, change to "this game"
 * Not done, does not improve anything.


 * Add alt text to the images per MOS:IMAGES
 * Is not required.


 * The development image caption should be expanded with something further interesting, specifically for WP:FA?
 * Expansion is not possible.


 * "Fall College Tour from September to October" year?
 * If you read the section, you will now it is 2003


 * "He concluded that the album is "jazzaphonic electronic tripped out, not finished writing or something, there's no ending quote " or period, nor a source, makes me think your still in the process of writing it or something
 * Are you reading the same article?


 * I see lots of WP:OVERLINK and WP:UNDERLINK problems around here
 * Nice, but I can ignore your beloved pages.


 * Don't collapse the article's only-used table per WP:MOS
 * It was done in several other articles.


 * Also, none of that track listing is referenced, suggest checking out iTunes
 * You want me to add an unreliable source? It should not be referenced as it can be viewed in the folders
 * iTunes is considered reliable enough at FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * "mostly" to "generally" for more engaging prose for WP:FA?
 * No improvements.


 * Instead of just company name (eg: IGN), also written the author's name (eg: Matt Fowler) if possible
 * Please write in plain English. I really don't understand what you mean.
 * He means you should include the author's name for articles where an author is credited, instead of just the publisher. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * "Sales performance for XIII was lower than expected" should certainly be expanded upon, I still am wondering after that, must be in some sources
 * Expanding how and what, etc?


 * In soundtrack section, "The Thirteen Soundtrack track listing" should be in italics, the name, per WP:MOSTEXT
 * It should not, see Bastion (video game)
 * I think Tbrandley is right here. Bastion's should at the very least have Bastion in italics. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Some reviews in box aren't in prose, why?
 * Because they are already in the box. Redundancy at the highest stage.


 * As Crisco said above, the sequel section is overly short, especially since the game does not have its own article, thus needing, perhaps, expanding
 * No, since this article is about this article.


 * Some WP:DASH problems in references, hyphen should be en-dash
 * Ok, done.


 * Don't use the ; semicolon, as it is a WP:ACCESS concern, replace with actual sub-section headers
 * Explain why it is a concern.


 * Some references are missing numerous parameters, like ref. 40, see WP:CITE
 * They feature the most important one. Which are parameters are you requesting?


 * Any external links?
 * They were removed during the GAN.--Tomcat (7) 15:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

TBrandley 14:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please stop linking and listing all those guidelines and policies. You are a new user and I am here since ages. I know them all. Also all your comments are fairly minor, but ok, no problem, I will finish it very fast ;). Regards.--Tomcat (7) 15:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that you make be upset due to my oppose, but "You are a new user and I am here since ages" really comes off as a personal attack, I've now been here for over a year actually, and your not "here since ages" really either. Let's assume good faith shall we? And, that doesn't even matter, what matters is the concerns. And, you said you know them all, funny, I saw you use rollback on me. Rollback is meant for only clear-cut cases of vandalism, as the actual guideline of it says, not good faith talkback edits. I've already left an explanation at my talk page. Honestly. TBrandley 15:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * TBrandley, you may want to double check that one guideline. "Rollback may be used ... To revert edits in your own user space". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close.  Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the  template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ucucha (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Tomcat7. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)