Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/York Park/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:35, 28 February 2009.

York Park

 * Nominator(s):  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the Featured Article criteria. It has a lead of appropriate size, and the article is of appropriate structure. The citations seems to be fairly good and uses images well. Although not very long, it does go into necessary detail. Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 07:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments -
 * A number of your references lack publishers. Please provide them. When those are provided, I'll check the references. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:41, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Think that's now fixed.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 05:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Current ref 1 (Tasmanian stadiums...) still lacks a publisher. Current ref 26 (Aurora Stadium...) is still lacking a publisher. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Further ....


 * What makes the following reliable sources?
 * http://www.tastadiums.8m.com/yorkpark.html
 * http://www.austadiums.com/index.php
 * http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/20012002/Round20.html
 * http://stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/vn_york_park.html
 * http://www.estas.com.au/projects.html deadlinked
 * Newspapers titles in the references should be in italics. If you're using cite news, use the work field for the title of the paper, and the publisher field for the name of the actual company that publishes the paper
 * Sites used in the references shouldn't also be in the external links
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.


 * Comment I'd hardly consider http://www.tastadiums.8m.com/yorkpark.html a reliable source. Budding Journalist 19:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments - Is there a reason why this doesn't have a transport section, like the one in Old Trafford? I'm also noticing some short paragraphs in the history section. Content feels thin, but a venue like Old Trafford may not be the best comparison. Oh, and get rid of the hyphen in "a deliberately-lit fire", to give one picky prose comment. I'll try to find time for a full review at some point, but I make no guarantees.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 02:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason there isn't a transport section is, that there is barely any referenced info to be found about it. I previously moved the transport section to "Structures and Facilities" because it was mentioned in a review of the article. I have once again made a transport section. Yeah well if the Tasmanian stadium reference is removed it would create a big hole in teh articles referencing.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 04:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not a reliable source. The article building process involves research using reliable sources. It's policy. Budding Journalist 17:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So delete it? AUstadiums should stay though.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 19:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it reliable, though? Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches is a great read on this subject. If the references can't be proven reliable, they need to be removed, and information sourced to them should either be cited to a quality source or taken out.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 18:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Strong oppose by karanacs. This article is plagued by unreliable sources, plagiarism, improperly sourced sections, and lack of citations, all at once. As is, the article needs to be practically rewritten. I did not do a close prose read or consider comprehensiveness. Here are examples of the issues I did see; the entire article will need to be rechecked to ensure that it reflects only what is in the sources (without copying and pasting). I strongly encourage you to withdraw the article so that you have adequate time to improve it. Karanacs (talk) 21:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Too much of this article is sourced to unreliable sources. I agree with Ealdgyth above that those websites are not reliable.
 * Also, we should not be using press releases if at all possible. Was that information covered in a newspaper somewhere?
 * What makes http://www.wotif.com/hotels/hotels-near-aurora-stadium.html a reliable source?
 * References are formatted incorrectly. Newspapers/magazine names should be italicized; other publishers should not
 * The publisher for 4 is incorrect - CV Web Design might be the designer, but not the publisher.
 * Sources don't always cover the information that they claim to.
 * You cannot source York Park is a 15–20 minute walk north of the Launceston City Centre to Google maps
 * The source for this sentence Because of near capacity crowds, it was announced that the Tasmanian Government would spend $2 million in roofing for an additional 6,000 seats, resulting in almost all the seating areas being protected from the weather. mentions nothing about the cause being near capacity crowds
 * The source for these sentences York Park's interior is an oval bowl surrounded by several different stands. The largest is the two-tier Gunns Stand on the ground's Western side. This stand originally had a capacity of 2,500 and was increased to 6,000 after a 2005 extension. The $12.5 million Gunns stand now has two corporate box areas; the Gunns Function Centre and the Corporate Function Centre mentions only two corporate box areas; there is no mention of any of the numbers given here.
 * The article tone needs a bit of work. There is some POV language.  examples:  hosted one of Tasmanian football's greatest moments, 
 * It seems that part of the history section is taken almost completely from http://www.tastadiums.8m.com/yorkpark.html; One example is below, but much of the rest of the history section seems plucked almost word-for-word from this source
 * Source: In 1960 it hosted one of Tasmanian football's greatest moments when a Tasmanian team (mostly made up of Northern players) defeated Victoria's second 18 by 7 points before a long standing record crowd of 15,163. 
 * article:  In 1960 the ground hosted one of Tasmanian football's greatest moments, when Tasmanian defeated Victoria's second 18 by 7 points in front of a long standing record crowd of 15,163
 * There are unsourced sentences that need citations in the Structure section and the Northern Staid development section

Strong oppose - Per Karanacs. Plagarism is an automatic disqualifier for me, and fixing that and the other issues will take too much time for this FAC. Never felt comfortable with the article, and my instincts sadly weren't misplaced.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 22:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Sandy Georgia (Talk) 03:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
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