Wikipedia:Featured article review/AC/DC/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept 08:56, 10 September 2007.

AC/DC

 * No-Bullet, HK51, Anger22 and Wikiproject Fair Use Review notified

Request the evaluation of non-free media included in this article. The article currently contains ten non-free audio samples, which would seem to be excessive per featured article criterion #3 and WP:NFCCa. Videmus Omnia Talk  03:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please follow the instructions at WP:FAR and notify involved editors and relevant WikiProjects, and post a notice of here of notifications (see other FARs). Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I posted notification with the top three editors of the article (User:No-Bullet, User:HK51, and User:Anger22), as well as the talk pages of all WikiProjects listed on the article talk page. Videmus Omnia Talk  03:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Notification also left at WP:FUR. Videmus Omnia Talk  13:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's quite strange that the article was at first refused featured article status due to its lack of audio files, and now it's under review because it has too many. I swear, Wikipedia is too paranoid about fair use these days, policies are going up and down like yo-yos but that's a discussion that doesn't belong here. Anyway, if all (or most) of the audio files were removed from the article, would it affect the article's featured status? I don't believe it should, the article would still remain a well-referenced and consistent article. The removal of the audio files will most definitely make the article less useful, but that's something we can't really help.


 * But anyway, my stance is that if the audio files break policy, we've not really got a choice but to remove them. I think the article will suffer for it though. ĤĶ51→Łalk 14:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Question Videmus Omnia, may I ask why you chose to initiate a FAR and "post notification" to the WikiProjects and editors and WP:FUR instead of 1) editing the article, and 2) posting a note on the article talk page? Note: Videmus Omnia moved this question to the AC/DC FAR talk page. I'm moving it back without his reply which he is of course welcome to copy here as well. -Susanlesch 14:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This question really has nothing to do with the featured article itself. Please limit this type of discussion to the talk page. Videmus Omnia Talk  15:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know why he did this for sure, but I do know that it's sometimes hard to get editors of particular FA articles to focus on WP:NFC issues, and bold changes are often reverted with a minimum of discussion. -- But | seriously | folks   16:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User Videmus Omnia added the non free template, but I removed later, because the article passed FA with these audio files. I can't see why there are "too many" now. Please read the FA nomination. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 01:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - since then, the Foundation has published their licensing resolution on non-free media, which has resulted in a new look at how we treat non-free media. Videmus Omnia Talk  01:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Videmus Omnia, may I ask which AC/DC samples you'd like to see removed? The first place to ask about the use of non-free AC/DC materials to my mind would be the article talk page. Unless you have a specific sample in mind I would like to propose that this FAR be closed for lack of a reason to be open. Thanks for your efforts, though. -Susanlesch 01:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I brought the question here so an expert on Featured Articles can make that determination. I don't know what the right number is. Videmus Omnia Talk  02:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no "right number" - per WP:NFCC Multiple items are not used if one will suffice; one is used only if necessary. In the case of a band that spanned such a long time frame, and changed musical style a good deal in that time, one item certainly wouldn't suffice. In the case of this article, there is (with one exception) no more then one audio sample per album.  Exceptions: samples from You Shook Me All Night Long and Back in Black (song), both from the same album (Back in Black).  Remove one of those, and I really don't see any more problems.  Giggy  Talk 03:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Question - Following up on what said, if some of the audio samples were removed (leaving only a few), would the article be up to FA status?  Are there any other issues?  Or can we get this finished a bit quicker then usual :)  Giggy  Talk 01:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, if this FAR is to remain open, you're probably safer notifying the next editor down from User:Anger22 as he hasn't been online or edited since February and probably won't be able to take part in this discussion. ĤĶ51→Łalk 10:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we done here or are the concerns still outstanding? Marskell 13:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Marskell, thanks for asking. I think we were done before we started. I almost deleted the sample from the album Giggy mentioned except from what little I know that one is kind of an exception and there's no way to choose one or the other. So I guess I propose this FAR be closed for lack of a reason to be open. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 13:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that most everyone commenting feels this review is unneeded. It is possible that a file slipped through FAC that isn't compliant with policy but a talk page thread to discuss would be enough. Marskell 08:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.