Wikipedia:Featured article review/Butter/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was removed by User:Marskell 17:20, 18 August 2008.

Review commentary
Notified: User:Bunchofgrapes, Wikiproject Food and Drink, Agriculture, Culture

Criteria concerns:1a, 1c


 * Shapes, History, Production and storage-cooking have increasingly unsourced content.

Shouldn't be tough. Ultra! 18:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Needs an infobox, categories, and two or more image need diminishing.
 * Infoboxes are not required by WP:WIAFA; since you brought the FAR, can you just add the categories and reduce the images? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, and notified. Ultra! 19:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * FGS. Giano (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What a rancid FAR. Amazing that anybody bothers to take their work through FAC any more. Bishonen | talk 04:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC).
 * So time to give the article a good 'churn' then (chuckle)....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree the article needs more sources or at least more inline citations so it is obvious where the information is coming from (the production section has none and throughout the article there are several other paragraphs with no apparent sourcing must prominently in the storage and cooking section). How much is taken from the publications listed in the reference section, if everything in the article is covered by them could the individual sections/paragraphs/statements be better attributed by someone who has knowledge of them? Guest9999 (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously, the material in lead needs to be in the body of the text, o needs an etymology section. Prose is somewhat repetitive and I have started trimming. More to come. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There are some inconsistencies with units throughout the piece, generally metric is used first followed by imperial but there are instances where American units are used first and one instance where for some reason grains appear to be used instead of ounces. Guest9999 (talk) 14:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, here's the thing Guest9999. I am glad you have pointed this out. Now, as at least the order of units should be pretty straightforward to fix, it would be great if you could get stuck in and help fix these too. I didn't write this article - at FAR, many of the original contributors are no longer active or may not be able or willing to keep the article at FA status, so hence no-one will (likely) take responsibility for making sure this one survives FAR. If you could chip in it would be extremely helpful. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will try and brush up on the relevant guidelines for units. Whilst you say it will be straight forward there are many quite trivial issues involved such as the order, whether to abbreviate or not, what units to use, what abbreviations to use that I am currently not familiar with. I mentioned it hoping that someone with the pre-existing knowledge to deal with the issue would notice; as it was I was just as likely to change to a different - if more consistent - incorrect presentation of the units as to "fix" the problem. Guest9999 (talk) 00:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I've given it a go. Guest9999 (talk) 00:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's great. I have rather stupidly overcommitted, with Ant at FAC and other things. FA and GA food articles are thin on the ground and it'd be a shame to lose one. My mother has a library of cookbooks that I will try to get some refs from. Now tehre are teh online references..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Suggested FA criteria concerns are prose (1a) and referencing (1c). Marskell (talk) 11:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

 Remove Hold The extent of citations and the quality of prose aside (happy and sad respecitvaly), there are gaps in the articles coverage; such as the huge flucations in its commodity value over the last 5 years, in particular in the last 12 months. Butter was a cah cow until the early 1990s and has fluctuated hugely since; 5 years ago you couldn't give the stuff away, now the price of fats are so high deritives are all that can be sold. Branding, marketing or subistutes are also not mentioned. Ceoil sláinte 17:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I spent the first third of my life milking cows, and the second third hammering sales men over the price of butter, I'll take this on. Its nice too see a core article like this brought so far, and it is a topic very close to me. Ceoil  sláinte 20:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a topic so close to me that I probably have some of it in my stomach right now. And Ceoil, seeing you show up to help another article at FAR, I must finally admit it: I'm in love with you. Marskell (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And you pick butter to tell him that? Sheesh, what's this world coming to; btw, you can't have him.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats very sweet, Marskell. I suppose I'd better do some work on the article after that ;) Ceoil  sláinte 21:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (Betty bought a bit of butter, but the butter Betty bought was bitter, so Betty bought a bit of better butter..) but seriously, I have no book sources for this (my mother has a huge cookbook library but no $#*^#^* books on butter!!). I can help copyedit once Ceoil buffs it a bit. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are some cookbooks in my kitchen, but I don't know how to use them. Let me know if I should look up some cooking factoid.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: print sources on the way; but appearently they are crossing europe by elephant, given the time taken so far. So hold a while yet. (  Ceoil  sláinte 15:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Was distracted; unlikely to get to add to this. (  Ceoil  sláinte 21:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Since Ceoil can't get to this, then Remove. (If someone else shows up who can complete the citation work, I'll list other issues.) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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