Wikipedia:Featured article review/CM Punk/archive0

CM Punk

 * Notified: NotTheFakeJTP, Prefall and Wikiproject Professional wrestling

I am nominating this featured article for review because it fails WP:FACR 1c and 2c, and potentially 1b, 2b and 4. It depends on a lot of unreliable sources according to WP:PW/RS. It was promoted back in July 2007. Since then, it has been significantly updated and not peer reviewed. It has inconsistent formatting of sources. It also suffers Proseline. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 21:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I replaced all of the WP:PW/RS-designated unreliable sources.  JTP (talk • contribs) 23:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Online World of Wrestling? THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 10:03, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops, I had no idea that OWOW was unreliable. Apologies.  JTP (talk • contribs) 20:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * removed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure if removing was appropriate, as the content remains uncited. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 20:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Further comments by ImmortalWizard
 * I'll try my best to be specific and do spot checks. Sidenote: I might get backlash but these are the problems I see in most of wrestling bios. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 20:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "The night after SummerSlam, Punk accused Nash of conspiring with Triple H to keep Punk away from the WWE Championship." What does "away from the WWE Championship" mean?
 * Sources from The Baltimore Sun is unavailable in Europe. Would appreciate if anyone verifies.
 * Not sure if information about his WWE career can be supported by WWE.com, since it's a primary source.
 * "Embarrassed by being shaved bald as he considered himself always pure unlike his followers, Punk began wearing a mask to hide his baldness." Ref doesn't support why he wore mask. Problem with WP:SYNTH
 * "To keep a presence on television, he began commentating on Raw from November 22." Again reasoning not supported by ref.
 * "Punk later revealed that his motives for the attacks were that he had joined and assumed control of The Nexus." ref requires archive from original
 * "In January 2011, Punk and The Nexus cost Orton his match with The Miz for the WWE Championship at the Royal Rumble as a revenge for Orton prematurely ending Punk's first World Heavyweight Championship reign in 2008." Again, WP:SYNTH
 * "In turn, Orton responded by taking out all of the New Nexus members by punting them in the head, leaving Punk alone as the sole surviving member of the group." As a wrestling fan, even I can't get it
 * "and finally Alberto Del Rio again in a No. 1 contendership match all within one week" why "again"
 * "After making a scathing yet highly acclaimed on-air speech concerning the way in which WWE is run and its owner Vince McMahon, Punk was given a storyline suspension from televised WWE events." biased and not fully mentioned by ref.
 * "Upon his return, Punk ceased to appear with the remaining members of The Nexus and the group quietly dissolved that month, turning Punk face." ref doesn't support his face turn nor nexus breakdown
 * Problem with WP:PROSELINE throughout, especially in the late careers.
 * Online World of Wrestling is unreliable according to WP:PW/RS
 * "Mysterio won the WWE Championship tournament on the July 25 episode of Raw only to lose it to Cena later that night, but after Cena's victory Punk returned and upstaged the new WWE Champion's celebration while also entering into a title dispute." poorly constructed sentence, shorten it
 * "Punk originally pinned The Rock to retain after The Shield put Rock through a table while the arena lights were out, leading Vince McMahon to come out and announce that Punk would be stripped of the title, but he instead restarted the match at The Rock's request which Punk lost, ending his reign at 434 days." too long
 * It is difficult for the readers to understand the difference between what's kayfabe (storyline) and what's legitimate
 * "In March 2013, Punk set his sights on ending The Undertaker's undefeated WrestleMania streak in an effort to "take something away from the fans" as he believed they had taken the WWE title away from him, defeating Big Show, Randy Orton and Sheamus in a fatal four-way match to officially earn the right to face The Undertaker." again, too long
 * As far as I recall, Punk was already a face during his feud with Chris Jericho in 2013, not Lesnar.


 * Comment ImmortalWizard, I'm seeing precisely no evidence of your attempting to directly resolve issues with the existing community of article editors, and to informally improve the article. FAR/FARC is a last resort, not WP:List of articles I personally feel aren't perfect. I strongly suggest you close this request, as it's very unlikely to go anywhere. &#8209; Iridescent 21:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't get why this is "personally feel". I have provided a lot of reasons according to criteria and guidelines and continued to give specific example. FAR is a room for improvement, unlike FACR. I see no problem. Check out Featured article review/Superman in film/archive1. THE NEW  Immortal  Wizard  (chat) 21:48, 27 February 2019 (UTC)