Wikipedia:Featured article review/Fanny Blankers-Koen/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was removed 16:35, 25 February 2007.

Review commentary

 * Messages left at Jeronimo, Bio, and Sports Olympics. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This article has been featured since september 2004, and is long overdue for a FAR. More specificly, here are my concerns: Er rab ee 20:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * definitely needs in-line citations
 * several of the wikilinks could be considered to be ridiculous (now, not in 2004); e.g. 800 m
 * Not for nothing, but m is certainly not a ridiculous thing to link. Don't forget that most Americans are unaccustomed to using the metric system and don't know right off the bat what that "m" stands for. I went through the article and found only a few things to de-link, all of them dates. Andrew Levine 17:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * the text refers to never explained events (e.g. she moved back to her previous hometown Hoofddorp, but it had never been stated she had actually lived in Hoofddorp before)
 * There are no real POV issues, but a more neutral rewriting ("her last moment of glory") could do no harm.


 * Comment Needs citations definitely (1. c.). More specifically, the article has a lot of adjectives in its statements which add a certain slant on events. Such terms as "highly dubious", "possibly", "relatively objective" I wouldn't say observe NPOV, so I would say there are POV issues in the article. If anyone decides to work on this article, please feel free to message me and I will point out more specific statements in the article that need addressing. LuciferMorgan 03:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Move to FARC, one edit since nomination. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I've just had a quick look through and found a few articles to reference from, and added some citations accordingly. It needs many more, of course, and the prose definitely needs quite a bit of work, but I'm sure someone who actually knows something about athletics &mdash; I know nothing about the subject &mdash; could really turn this into a top article. As a subject she certainly seems to deserve it. Angmering 00:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Suggested FA criteria concerns are citations (1c), and missing info (1b). Marskell 09:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment Some work done, some work to come hopefully. Marskell 09:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Remove per 1c and due to POV statements. LuciferMorgan 12:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added some more refs - this seems entirely fine to me [at least as regards POV]. Where is the POV? -- ALoan (Talk) 17:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are some statements that need attention:
 * the first relatively objective biography of Blankers-Koen was published (not sure what the "relatively" refers to or according to whom, perhaps could be re-worded)
 * Dutch and international media always portrayed her as the perfect mother ...
 * The exact results of the test remain unclear, and although Dillema looked a bit like a man, most do not doubt she is a woman. Most of the other women on the team at the time suspect it was an attempt by Jan and Fanny Blankers to eliminate a possible opponent, although this has never been confirmed.
 * she would later claim she thought there had been a false start
 * his attitude towards female athletes changed after he fell in love with Koen
 * Dutch media automatically assumed her career would be over.
 * Also, now that it's further along on citations, needs a ce and em-dash attention. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * POV statements still need work though, and possible citation. LuciferMorgan 11:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't have access to the non-online references (two books in Dutch and a journal article) but I am sure they will help if someone can locate them. I think it would be useful if you could add fact and fixpov statements to the parts you think are problematic. (I still can't see the POV, but perhaps my antennae are not sufficiently finely tuned.) -- ALoan (Talk) 13:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My only concerns are listed above; I hesitate to add fact tags, but will do so in a few days if no one can find sources. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have other 1. c. concerns as well as Sandy's; give me a ping on my talk page if you're interested. LuciferMorgan 09:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said, I am not in a position to do anything about them, but it would be helpful, I think, to tag the article so someone else can see them and deal with them, if they have the sources (whether the FARC goes through or not). -- ALoan (Talk) 11:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. Fanny still has a few weeks here, so I'll tag those, and go poke dig around Wiki in search of some Dutch editors; there must be a category or something.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Remove I put out multiple queries several weeks ago, someone should have been able to finish the article; nothing happening. Article has important uncited information, and isn't particularly compelling or brilliant.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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