Wikipedia:Featured article review/King Vulture/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Dana boomer 18:29, 15 January 2011.

Review commentary

 * Notified: User talk:Rufous-crowned Sparrow, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds

I think this article fails 1a, 1c and 1d:


 * Second paragrpah under "fossil record and evolution" is unsourced. Third paragraph is also undersourced.
 * First paragraph of "Bartram's Painted Vulture" section is unsourced.
 * "Some argue" used twice in Diet header.
 * What makes Arthur Grosset's website a reliable source?
 * What makes WhoZoo.org a reliable source?
 * What makes this EurekaWebs.com archive a reliable source?
 * Or Bird-Stamps.org?
 * "Be that as it may, the fossil record, though scant, supports the theory that the ancestral King Vultures and South American Condors separated at least some 5 mya." — "Be that as it may" isn't needed, and rest is weaselwordy.
 * Links to dab pages: Avian and dihedral.

Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:21, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I see no discussion at Talk:King Vulture, and I don't feel like doing the work of 1) moving this to article talk, 2) removing this FAR from WP:FAR, 3) removing the FAR template from article talk, and 4) closing this FAR. Ten Pound Hammer, would you please read the WP:FAR instructions and do that work? Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Tell me how these aren't enough problems to bring the article to FAR. Looking at my concerns I see 1a, 1c and 1d problems. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the WP:FAR instructions; raise these issues first on talk. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I still think this is enough for a FAR to be warranted. What's more, no one would ever answer on the talk page, as it's almost completely untouched since 2009. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

This FAR can just be put on hold until the required post has been made. Start a discussion on the article talk page about the possibility of FAR, wait a week or so; if no one says anything, re-transclude the FAR. Dana boomer (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * (groan) lousy timing but then again I suppose there is no "good" timing. OK, will take a look. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: Regarding talk page activity, many talk pages of more esoteric subjects (such as most species etc.) are often very quiet with no posts for months if not years on end. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: transcluded anew on 14 November 2010. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:26, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the dablinks; I don't think the article is very complete, and the section on the bird's evolution aren't very good. I'll probably do a few more small things, which might get rid of a lot of sourcing problems etc. &mdash;innotata 22:56, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with TenPoundHammer, there are issues in this article:
 * The sentence "The Kern Vulture would then seem to" contains a weasel word.
 * Some of the unsourced statements and paragraphs like "Bartram to be a King Vulture and therefore fleshed out the details as he saw fit." and "Bartram's notes if the "Painted Vulture" is accepted as a Sarcoramphus." is unreferenced. JJ98 (Talk) 05:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there are some tags there. I was trying to concentrate on some of the core biological stuff first, but will get there soon. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Nothing has happened here in almost a month, so moving to FARC to hopefully jump start things. Featured article criteria of concern mentioned in the review section include referencing and prose. Dana boomer (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delist almost none of my concerns were addressed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

"doesn't look like "almost none" to me - please stop exaggerating and strike out the ones that no longer apply. I agree there is still work to be done but some of the material is hard to access, plus I have been helping elsewhere - lion is a somewhat bigger job. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I am leaning to Keep - t he last thing is to substitute some of the web refs remaining for some published literature. Otherwise comprehensive and much more solid-looking than previous. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, but I still question the reliability of this site. Any comments? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They are stamps and pretty patently obviously what they are. Yes I'd like a stronger source but given the mundaneness of the subject matter I think it is better in than out. It has been ^T*&%# hard finding some sources, but has resulted in improvement of the article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep I made some minor changes as I read through, now looks OK to me  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Can the two dead links and the one citation needed tag please be fixed before this is kept? Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * All removed now. Found some other bits and pieces but can't get the bits in question. Reliable sources have proven difficult for this one, and interestingly some tertiary ones used in the interim have been incorrect. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Image concerns:
 * File:King Vulture.png: Unknown source for the base map (quite unlikely to be the author's creation from nothing); per commons:Commons:Image casebook, the base map should be "free", either derived from an appropriately licensed map, one whose copyright has expired, or created from available data. Furthermore, no sources are given for the distribution, failing WP:CITE and WP:V. 
 * File:Monte verde.jpg: No OTRS provided for a copyrighted work not by the uploader. In a similar case (where Jimbo uploaded a photograph not by him), an exception was made (see commons:User talk:Abigor/Archives/2010/May and commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 21.   uploaded this photograph, so it depends on what status he enjoys on this project.  Regardless, a certified OTRS ticket would resolve this issue quite quickly. 
 * File:KingVultureBerlin.JPG: Without the ability to view a deleted local version, I am unable to verify the license under which this file was uploaded here. It should be what was stated (GFDL), but it would sooth concerns if a local administrator would verify this.
 * Number 1 is the most concerning, number 2 can be debated, while number 3 is of least concern. Jappalang (talk) 05:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The first edit of the Belrlin Zoo head shot had tag (I checked it as I am an admin). While scouring some books I just stumbled over a map. Will chase.  It is in Raptors of the World p. 315. Now sourced and linked. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The Monte verde shot is not a particularly high quality one, and we have another photo of a vulture in forest, so I have let it slide. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Image concerns have been resolved. Jappalang (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


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