Wikipedia:Featured article review/Link (The Legend of Zelda)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept 18:35, 6 October 2007.

Review commentary

 * previous FAR, October 2006
 * WikiProject Video games, WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series, WikiProject Nintendo and User:Phils notified.

It is a while since this article was reviewed for its FA status and has obviously changed significantly since that time. As has been noted on the articles talk page, it appears that the article receives a lot of attention from people who want impose POV on the article and add unnecessary information, which in many cases amount to original research. This subject has been raised on the talk page and it is obvious that the page has been reverted to its FA version on a number of occasions following what the contributors see as a decline in quality of the article. An image used in the article has recently been nominated for speedy deletion due to lack of fair use rationale. This alone violates criterion 3 of WP:FAC. I feel the best thing for this article is to have a full review, which will give the editors clear guidance on how to maintain the article's FA status. --carelesshx talk 20:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We need to get this fixed up so it will stay at FA status and not go to FARC. Greg Jones II 21:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions at the top of WP:FAR to notify all relevant Projects and editors. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|px]] - fair use rationale added to Image:TLOZ Phantom Hourglass Link.jpg. Any other issues? For a character this popular, it's impossible not to have POV pushing in the article (without protection, and I won't go there), so you really can't delist for something like that.  IMO.  Giggy  Talk 22:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * POV is not the only problem. The problem is that every time somebody edits to prove a point (as has happened), the quality of the prose goes down, the article becomes more and more bloated and less coherent. If you want specific examples, I can provide some:
 * "he was portrayed by a two-dimensional sprite; in later releases Link's appearance has been conveyed by a computer-generated image". This sentence is about as redundant as it is possible to be, and the article is riddled with other examples (criteria 1(a) and 4
 * "Link is described as a young Hylian (However in the early games, this is not stated. The Comic Books from that time however, along with Trading Cards state that this Link hails from Calatia, a Kingdom West of Hyrule. These sources are generally said to be canon) boy from the fictional land of Hyrule". Criterion 1(a), the article really really needs copy editing
 * "A new country has been formed, encompassing the islands of the Great Sea, which were once the highest mountaintops of Hyrule. The kingdom of old, lying dormant under the sea, is now a half-forgotten dream, barely surviving in ancient scrolls and dusty memories" (from the summary of The Wind Waker). Many parts of the article need re-writing from an out-of-universe perspective, as per WP:WAF (criterion 2)
 * The article generally feels far too long. Information is often repeated, sometimes in sections where it doesn't even need to appear. As far as the popularity of the character goes... I'm not convinced that, just because an article attracts edits that lower the quality, we should give that article a pass when it doesn't meet FA criteria. --carelesshx talk 00:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have also never been too happy with this article. It was promoted back in the lax days of 2005, for one. Also, it tends to attract poorly sourced information. However, I would like to see this article improve so I'll try to copyedit it some within the week. I also wouldn't mind see it permanently semi-protected, just because. Axem Titanium 05:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

We need this article's issues to be addressed ASAP, everyone. Good luck. Greg Jones II 20:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Any discussion of what is and is not "canon" for this character needs to be explicitly sourced to either some sort of official Nintendo canon repository or to quotations from one of Nintendo's main officials, such as Miyamoto. My guess is that any such discussion should be purged from the article, though. — Brian ( talk ) 07:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment The article sure was not a FA quality one when it was nominated for review, but the changes made thus far have improved it a lot.--Svetovid 10:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Suggested FA criteria concerns are POV (1d) and images (3). Marskell 13:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We need to fix up this article ASAP, now. Greg Jones II 18:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * !a—there's evidence of sloppiness. It needs a thorough check-through by a copy-editor. Not too long a job, though. These caught my eye in the first 30 s of swooping over it.
 * Apostrophe missing from the third sentence: how embarrassing.
 * MOS breach WRT to ellipsis dots.
 * Space before comma?
 * Redundant "alsos"—they become tiresome and weaken the flow.
 * "Well-known" with the hyphen, please.


 * Correct, these are also the problems. If anyone wants to address them, feel free to do so. Greg Jones II 19:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No response. I guess we need to have this edited to maintain for Featured Status by now. Oh, well. Greg Jones II 03:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to give this article a serious copy-edit sometime, I promise. Argh, so busy. Axem Titanium 03:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

For now, Contest removal. Greg Jones II 14:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove—1a. Here are random glitches. Needs work by someone fresh to it.
 * MOS breach in the use of bolding "The Hero of Time", et al.
 * Also-itis, a bad disease. Get rid of them all, please: "He also has several friends, such as the pirate captain Tetra from The Wind Waker, Kafei and Tatl from Majora's Mask, and the fairy Navi from Ocarina of Time. He also has a utilitarian relationship with Midna from Twilight Princess, though the two grow to become friends as time goes on.[13] His mother and father also appear as ..."
 * "he is closer to the age of 7 to 12"—ah, that's an age-range, isn't it?
 * Redundant, flabby wording: "Link’s hair color is usually a dark blond, but was originally a brown colour ."
 * "Link has long pointed ears resembling some conceptions of elves. These are apparently a distinctive trait"—"some" makes the reader work too hard to determine the meaning; so does "these". Tony 12:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as all the problems appointed in this FAR were fixed. igordebraga ≠ 00:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep -The article was FAR'd for POV and images, which have been taken care of. The article has also, as a bonus, been copyedited by those who have pointed out some writing flaws. I do not see any compelling reason to remove its Featured article status, as all points seem to have been addressed. Judgesurreal777 22:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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