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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 3:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC).

Making Waves (TV series)

 * Notified: Bradley0110, WikiProject Television, talk page notification 2021-04-08

Review section
I am nominating this featured article for review because it does fails different criterias for a Featured Article. The lede alone looks to fail 2.a as it looks so bare. Also the Plot and Characters section does not have any sources behind it, which they may need to GamerPro64  03:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Close as it was nominated only a week after talk page notification when, according to instructions, you should wait two-to-three weeks or more after the notification to nominate. While this is a 2007 FA nomination that needs to be checked, I'm not noticing anything major, as the length is expected for a show that lasted for a few episodes and one season (although I haven't researched to see if there's any unused coverage to know how comprehensive the article is). Also, plot sections and characters generally don't need sources except for info that's up to subjective interpretation. There are, however, issues. Some citations have "[permanent dead link]" tags and could be archived, the lead is a little on the short side with nothing about its critical reception, and two reception sources are from unreliable tabloid newspapers; I generally wouldn't prohibit the use of tabloid sources for entertainment reviews, as these newspapers normally get in trouble for covering misinfo on more serious real-life issues, but I know more experienced FA reviewers would question it. Although the article definitely needs improvements, we must keep to FAR guidelines. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Place on Hold for one month, unless User:Bradley0110 indicates they have no intention of working on the deficiencies., please follow the FAR instructions so as not to create extra work for Coords and reviewers.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  23:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hold. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really follow what the issues are here. Material like plot and characters that can be clearly verified by the show itself does not need to be sourced (so long as the show is still existent and published somehow), per MOS:PLOT's Because works of fiction are primary sources in their articles, basic descriptions of their plots are acceptable without reference to an outside source. Lead length is personal preference and this is within the band of acceptable range (this coming from someone who likes a much lengthier lead). But if you want it longer then how much work is it to bulk it up a bit yourself? The Daily Mirror removal is possibly necessary, as HumanxAnthro summarises well, but that doesn't require an FAR. A first read from top to bottom and skim of the references doesn't leave me with any particular urge to remove the gold star. Notice that the permanent dead links are not a problem because the references also work as references to the same articles in the print newspapers. — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Is there any indication that Sunday Mirror is any better source than Daily Mirror? It's looking like there's three citations that likely need to be replaced, although they only amount to two sentences between them. Hog Farm Talk 03:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I share the opinion of Bilorv. It doesn't hurt to have sources, but plot and cast and characters are basic facts verifiable by the show itself. It is standard practice to not include sources for a plot, and nothing in the cast and characters section strikes me as needing a secondary source. A sentence about the reception could be added to the lead as there is none currently. The Mirror sources should probably be replaced. Heartfox (talk) 03:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: After a quick skim, some concerns are the very short lede and single-sentence paragraphs that should be edited. The article only has 23 sources: Has anyone done a check for additional sources or reviews (perhaps in Newspapers.com)? I am willing to copyedit of the article if an editor will address questions/concerns that I have in the review. Please respond below if you are that expert! Z1720 (talk) 15:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to FARC This FAR has been open for a month and a half and there has been one bot edit to the article during that time. I think there are still concerns with this article, as I have outlined above. If an editor is willing to address the concerns, I'll withdraw my "Move to FARC" opinion. Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

FARC section

 * Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and organization. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Delist: There have been no edits to the article since late-April, concerns are still ongoing. Z1720 (talk) 13:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delist Issues are still afoot and no engagement Bumbubookworm (talk) 19:24, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * - Is anyone going to be willing to do the check to see if there are additional sources and replacing the Mirror sources so that this can be saved? Hog Farm Talk 01:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Potential sources are here, here, this is listed as reliable at WP:RSP, here, and someone who knows where to look better than me might find more. As thin as this article is, it's likely that those sources may be useful. And there's still the two blatantly unrelaible Sun sources. Delist for now unless someone steps up, but given that there have been no human edits as of when I write this since December 2020, I frankly don't think anyone cares. Hog Farm Talk 04:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC) Nikkimaria (talk) 03:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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