Wikipedia:Featured article review/Michigan State University/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept 20:14, 31 January 2008.

Review commentary

 * Notified Lovelac7, Nburden, and WikiProject Michigan.

I was looking thourgh this article and there are a number of things needing attention. Dylan 06:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

MoS problems I've noticed various MoS violations:
 * I see a number of typographical errors (e.g. "research ,[52]", "any other university. [56].") I imagine that for every one I do see, there are a number I'm not seeing.
 * Done. Lovelac 7 15:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I figured out what you mean by unformatted URLs, and I fixed the problem. Lovelac 7 01:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Many of the citations are unformatted or misformatted URLs.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by this. Please clarify. Lovelac 7 15:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A handful of redlinks
 * Done. Lovelac 7 15:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Improperly formatted dates (e.g. "June 15th, 2007"; also, non-date enabled dates)
 * Done, courtesy of Jay32183. Lovelac 7 18:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Example like "offers 3 MBA programs" - doesn't follow <10, written-out number, >10, digits.
 * Done. Lovelac 7 15:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Other MoS nonconformity examples - "proposed to redevelop the 35 acre...site" should be "35-acre"
 * Done. Lovelac 7 18:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Verifiability problems
 * Section "Michigan State University Honors College" is wholly uncited.
 * I have completely rewritten this section, and added references. Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Greek life," "Activism," "Media" are sparsely cited.
 * Added references where appropriate. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "20th / 21st centuries" has no citations at all, but does have a tag.
 * Added references where appropriate. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

NPOV problems These are particularly noticeable in "Michigan State University Honors College" and "Professional schools"; the following are only some examples I noticed. Copyright problems Comment I have not edited this article in quite some time. I'll give it a thorough edit this week and get back to you. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 12:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "the goal...is to challenge the top undergraduate students to pursue their unique academic interests"
 * Rewritten, as stated above. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Admission to the Michigan State University Honors College is a very competitive process".
 * Deleted POV. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "An outstanding faculty of more than 70 resident artists and scholars..."
 * Deleted POV. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "The faculty is noted for devotion to teaching, excellence in performance, creating innovative and imaginative curricula..."
 * Deleted POV. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "...an outstanding ethnomusicology and jazz studies program."
 * Deleted POV. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "...one of the only nationally published student-run law journals dedicated to the leading issues confronting attorneys in the worlds of business/corporation law and securities law."
 * Edited out POV and cited journal. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Michigan State University seal.png, Image:Michigan State Spartans logo.png, and Image:Michigan State University logo.png have insufficient fair-use rationales
 * I've added the Logo fur template to each of these three image pages. These three images are used solely to show the logotypes of the university, and no free replacements are possible. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 20:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's fine -- I didn't mean to say that they didn't qualify for fair use, just that the rationale was incomplete. Dylan (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Lead should be expanded to summarize the whole article. At the moment, it includes some very specific facts that probably don't belong in the lead. Budding Journalist 21:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Nominator update: Just wanted to review the article after two weeks and see how it's doing: Otherwise, my objections seem to be addressed. Good work. Dylan (talk) 01:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Still a tag in the lead
 * Fixed. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 15:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "20th / 21st centuries" is still in dire need of citations
 * Done. I have cited each and every name in the section. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 05:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "External links" could use a look to make sure it complies with WP:EL
 * Done. I pared it down to the main website, the athletics page, a Geolink template, and a Commons template. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 02:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Suggested FA criteria concerns are MoS and formatting (2), verifiability (1c), and NPOV (1d). Marskell (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Question: Why was this moved from FAR to FARC? I am currently addressing the FAR issues listed above. In any case, I'll give the article a thorough edit and come back here. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 00:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the move; plenty of time here, and you can keep us up-to-date. Marskell (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Marskell. I'll keep working on it. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 04:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments:
 * I don't know what this means: As of 2007, the Board is made up of three Republicans and five Democrats, and has a 4:4 gender balance.[117]
 * That does sound confusing. I dropped the second half of the sentence to make it sound better. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There are hyphens on date ranges in people that should be endashes; I will leave a sample edit. There are still hyphens on scores and sports records that should be endashes.
 * Done. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:OVERLINKing of common terms throughout.
 * Done. Hopefully I've removed some of the more redundant links. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 05:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Solo years should not be linked.
 * Done. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Avoid starting sentences with numbers.
 * I have never heard of this as being a style error, and I can certainly think of examples of well-written sentences starting with numbers, like "Four score and seven years ago...". However, if there are any particular sentences that sound really bad to you, please let me know and I will fix them. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Avoid starting sentences with digits might make more sense? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Done. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 05:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I corrected some WP:MOSNUM issues, pls review throughout.
 * Done. I changed the units of measurement to MOS standards. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 05:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Undefined acronyms (e.g.; FY, fiscal year)
 * Fixed. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I found some WP:ITALICS issues and uncited data.
 * I fixed the italics, and I'll get to the citations a bit later. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There. Citations added.
 * An unformatted reference (^ http://brokenwheelranch.com/pete.htm ) Reference formatting is generally good, although I don't know why websites and non-news source publisher are italicized (see WP:ITALICS).
 * Fixed. Another editor added that reference just yesterday. I hadn't seen it yet. As for the italics, I fixed them (see above). <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS, no puncutation on sentence fragments.
 * Fixed. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 07:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sample edits; all these need to be reviewed throughout. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep, looks fine now. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Good work, Lovelac! Marskell (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help and support. <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#000064;">Lovelac <span style="font-family:times new roman, times; color:#AA0000;">7 04:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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