Wikipedia:Featured article review/Mysore/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Dana boomer 12:35, 17 June 2012.

Review commentary

 * Notified: Amarrg, Dineshkannambadi, IMpbt, Abhishek19288, Wikiproject India, WikiProject Cities, WP Karnataka

I am nominating this featured article for review because it has been over 4 years since this article was featured and drastic changes in FAC have been brought about in the interim period Ravi My Tea Kadai  16:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I had a quick glance and found the following issues with the article


 * The lead does not summarize the civic administration, Demographics, Business and Economy, Education and Media sections.
 * There are large chunks of unsourced texts, particularly, the first paragraph of "History" section, the first paragraph of "Business and Economy" section, the last paragraph of "Education" section, the last paragraph of "Tourism" section and whole of the section on "Information Technology".- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment - I have requested that the nominator complete the notifications of involved projects. Dana boomer (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Since Dinesh is long gone, notifications to WikiProjects listed on the article talk page are needed. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Move to FARC with a problematic note: nothing whatsoever has been done to improve the deficiencies since this nomination was listed, so it should Move to FARC.  However, it was once considered an abuse of FAR process to overtax editors working in a particular area, and it was customary to avoid having multiple FARs in the same area up at the same time, since that pretty much guarantees editors who work in that area won't be able to respond.  There are currently THREE Indian city FARs on the page.  Bad practice; in the future, nominators should be encouraged to wait a few weeks if editors in a given area are already hard at work on saving one star.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 16:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment One thing was done, 8 days after the nomination the appropriate wikiproject was notified.
 * It's very difficult to edit articles on South Asia on en.wiki. It's probably safest (as in least likely to send packing editors with knowledge of South Asia) to demote it.
 * I was able to easily fix some listed problems on today's main page article, Vijayanagara Empire. The only hard part was finding the prior editor's incorrect fixes. How many editors can make those fixes quickly? I'm okay with referencing things, but I often need titles translated to add the references, and other editors are very impatient. I work full time. I can't fix a major article in 5 days. This requires library research, not on-line research. Last time I spent the time to check out books, I got dissed before I could add the sources.
 * Kolkata, Chennai, Mysore are unlikely to tax the same group of editors, though. Pseudofusulina (talk) 06:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

FARC commentary

 * Featured article criteria of concern mentioned in the review section include references and MOS compliance (specifically WP:LEAD). Dana boomer (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment As Sandy has mentioned above, three Indian city articles are in FARC simultaneously. This is difficult for editors. Although Pseudofusulina told that "Kolkata, Chennai, Mysore are unlikely to tax the same group of editors, though.", unfortunately that is partially true. So, my request would be to allow significantly longer time in this case. I have started working on this article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The review can be extended, if you are planning to work on it. If you wouldn't mind, please drop an update of your progress here every few days and let us know when you are ready for reviewers to come back in and re-check the article. Dana boomer (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am unable to understand. While WP:FACs are closed at the earliest, why so much time for WP:FARCs alone.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 15:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Update 1. Lead expanded. Large chunks of text that were completely unsourced (as mentioned in the FAR proposal) have either been removed (as those were undue), or provided with references.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Comment I am planning to work on it as well since I had written major chunks of this article and had participated in the FA review. Thanks - ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 16:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Update 2. Specific issues raised in the FAR proposal have largely been addressed. User:Amarrg has been working on ensuring comprehensiveness of the article. Reference improvement and formatting nearing completion. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:59, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Update 3. As of this version, all citations have been checked and formatted. IMO, citations are internally consistent, and in accordance with WP:RS. Some comprehensiveness issues remain, which will be soon fixed. Reviewers, please review the citations for any fault. Any suggestions on MoS will be highly appreciated. Disclaimer Lead has not been fixed yet. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Dwaipayanc, please feel free to ping the reviewers above (SandyGeorgia, Ravichandar, etc) and ask them to revisit their comments. Thanks for doing such great work at FAR on these Indian cities! Dana boomer (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, doing some major edits in the article now, and will do in the next several days (although the concerns listed in the main FAR proposal have already been addressed). Will request reviewers after that.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Update 4 I'd like to request the reviewers to have a look at the article, and post constructive comments to help the article retain FA status :) Of note, I believe the specific issued raised in the FAR proposal have been addressed. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I checked the lead section. The lead section does not mention anything about "Sport in Mysore". Besides, ambience is spelt wrongly. I also find issues with the sentence formations in the lead. The third paragraph begins with "Mysore is notable for the Dasara festival" - should it not be "noted for"? A copyedit of the lead might be necessary in this case.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 16:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Ambiance" and "ambience" are both accepted spellings, although ambience is more common. For some unknown reason, while I was typing the word, a red line appeared beneath "ambience", and right-clicking suggested "ambiance"! That is why the spelling is like that in the article.
 * "Notable for" versus "noted for"—not sure which one (if any) is more appropriate in this case. We've seen both usage.
 * WP:lead says "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article." So, the phrase "most important points" is significant. Sports in this city is not as important as, say, culture. Still, a sentence will be added. --Dwaipayan (talk) 16:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree with you - I had given only secondary importance to the addition of details on "Sport in Mysore". However, a copy-edit of the section needs to be given a higher priority. The ones I stated above were just examples - I notice that all through the lead pieces of small sentences, seperated by semi-colons, have been fused together to form bigger sentences. I am not sure if this ought to be the general practice, it would be better if you consult someone on the general text.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 02:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made a request to User:Saravask for copy-edit. Given that he is on a wikibreak, it might not possible for him. I will wait for his response. Then will contact the guild of copyeditors, if needed. How does that sound?--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added a request for the Guild of Copy Editors.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Update 5? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the request for copyedit in the guild of copyeditors is there, but has not yet been answered. I myself have tried a few times to improve the prose. My efforts have been limited by my knowing the article already, and limited English proficiency. IMO, the prose is not excellent but ok. The primary reasons for the FAR (as discussed by the nominator) have already been addressed. --Dwaipayan (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at the prose. Please revert if I inadvertently change the meaning. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:45, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 *  The name Mysore is an anglicised version of Mahishūru, which means the abode of Mahisha (in what language? - also FN 4 I can't connect to...?)


 * ' 'Tipu Sultan demolished parts of Mysore town to remove legacies of the Wodeyar dynasty'' - why is "town" included here?


 *  The region where Mysore city stands now was known as Puragere until the 15th century - was Puragere right on the site of the centre of Mysore? Slighlty different? Presumably it was continuous occupation, much like Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul? Some words about how old occupation is I think good - e.g. neolithic, classical antiquity, whatever.


 * Are there any notable parks/reserves or national parks/greenspace within or near the city boundaries? sorry, missed them.

I'll continue copyediting tomorrow. Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:08, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply to first set of questions by Casliber


 * ... anglicised vrsion of... which means... in Kannada language. Added.


 * Tipu Sultan... Wodyar dynasty. Removed "town". Don't know why town was included!


 * Puragere. The Mysor fort was built on the site of Puragere, which was a village. Mysore fort was later replaced by Mysore palace. I specifically mentioned Mysore Palace in that sentence now. Unfortunately could not find out how old was that village. The source just mentions the village was there in early 16th century. Overall India has a poor tradition of documented history. Mysore city is no exception. As an example, the documented history of large cities such as Kolkata or Mumbai begin essentially in the colonial period.


 * There are several notable parks, lakes, national parks in or near the city. Those have been covered mainly in the section Tourism, and also slightly in Geography.


 * Thanks a ton for starting the copyedit. Please ask questions, if any. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


 * veering towards keep territory. I've done some copyediting and feeling better about the prose on this one. Probably still some improvements to find though, so I'll keep looking in a bit. Happy with responses to my queries and pretty comprehensive. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:19, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Update 6. Casliber has done copyediting. S/he has expressed opinion regarding the article above. I believe the issues raised in the FAR nomination and subsequet discussions have been addressed. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * has done further copyediting. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


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