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Selena

 * Notified: Secret, WikiProject Latin America

I've listed this article for peer review because I believe that the article fails to show the main aspects of Selena's life. I've tried adding more content to the article, but many editors feel as though that the article shouldn't be expanded with any reliable information that should have been on the article before it was nominated for featured status. The nominator and I aren't the best of working pals, nor do we see eye-to-eye on things especially on the Selena article. The article fails what an editor had requested when the article was up for discussion at WP:FAR, which s/he stated "the article should be written out like other artists/band articles". Another thing, the article diffidently fails WP:Lead, where in the article does it state she was the most successful singer in the '90s? the most successful singles of 1994/1995? and that she was named "Best selling Latin artist of the '90s" by Billboard? Most importantly the article was written by a fan who really only knew the basics of Selena's career and had helped from the book "Como La Flor" by Joe Nick Patoski.

1971–1989: Early life and career beginnings

The article fails to discuss that doctors believed Selena was a tumor and that Selena's mother had needed it removed. But went to see a second doctor and was told she was pregnant. I believe that this should be told in the article as it has been mentioned in books, magazines, newspapers, and in every single documentary of Selena since 1995. The article also lacks about how Selena got into the music world, how her father Abraham Quintanilla, Jr. was strict when it came to his kids in music, religious beliefs and personal when he was Selena's manager. The article fails to say what "Los Dinos" means in Italian and Abraham's wisdom that helped the band prosper, did you know they wanted to quit? The article doesn't talk about how Selena was discriminated because she was a female singer in a male-dominate music by Freddie Records and other fans of Tejano music. She was also booed off stage and had food thrown at her because she was a female. Selena had to learn Spanish phonetically (Selena's first language was English, so how did she knew Spanish?) The article talks about The New Girl in Town being released in 1985, but wasn't it pulled off shelves because of copyright control? and didn't the album helped Selena become musical guest on the Johnny Canales Show in 1985? - which was her break? Where in the article does it state that after Selena had graduated that she had applied to take college courses through correspondence from a California school, that she was accepted in December 1990? - this was why she wanted to do fashion (Selena Etc.) Why doesn't the article speak about her salary from Coca-Cola? why doesn't it say that she was asked by beer commercials (and how that Tejano artists can only get beer commercials to sponsor them, because the genre wasn't popular?) and that her father didn't want that? Oh and a HUGE ONE, where in the article does it say how Abraham wanted "Selena y Los Dinos" to have a clean image? What about Chris Perez, he was in a Rock band before Los Dinos, where does it state that Selena had met him BEFORE he auditioned for the group? He was her husband.

1990–1993: Selena, Ven Conmigo, Entre a Mi Mundo and Grammy win

The article fails to discuss about "Contigo Quiero Estar" being Selena's FIRST charted song to appear on Billboard. How did Pete Astudillo and Joe ojeda join the group? Wait a mintue, didn't Selena and her father approach them (they were in a group together) and wanting them to open up for Selena? Then they joined with Selena y Los Dinos. It also fails to say that Astudillo was a back up dancer for Selena and that he did several duets with Selena on her albums, he also helped with writing the songs most of them #1 on Billboard Hot Latin Tracks. And where is this in the article? By 1990, Selena was a millionaire and became a spokesperson for the Texas Prevention Partnership, sponsored by the TCADA. Ok, Ven Conmigo is fine as it states ONE of the success but what about this? The album remained on Billboard's Regional Mexican Albums for fifty-six weeks, an unprecedented feat for a Tejano act. Damn what about the Tejano Movement in Texas that Selena helped boost album sales, bookings, and more? What about this statement '''The band also was motorizing Tejano music and making it assailable to younger audiences. Selena was the first Tejano recording artist to sign a major recording studio and brought other major studios to sign other Tejano singers'''? Selena helped OTHER Tejano singers sign with EMI Latin, oh and Selena was the FIRST artist to sign with that label! Next ---> Did you know the women who murdered Selena, Yolanda Saldívar hated her because Selena was winning all the awards at the Tejano Music Awards? And that Saldivar's friends convinced her to attend a San Antonio concert of Selena, and THAT'S when Saldivar approached Selena's father about opening a fan club and becoming a fan. Where is this in the article, that the "Selena Fan Club" went to be one of the largest fan club throughout the San Antonio-area? seems notable to me. This article also doesn't talk about Selena's signature songs like "Como La Flor" and "La Carcacha" from Entre a Mi Mundo (1992) - how else did Selena crossover to Mexico? She also broke the barrier for a Mexican American, in Mexico they dislike them because they were Americans! Why isn't this in the article? What about that Selena's father was threatening Selena that if she had married Chris Perez that he WOULD disband the group? Also how did the news of Selena's marriage surfaced? What about the famous press tour Selena had done in Mexico? It was featured in the 1997 film based on her life starring Jennifer Lopez. Selena was also the biggest Tejano act during this? And this? "Selena's husband, Chris Perez and co-designer for Selena's clothing, Martin Gomez, elaborated Selena's dream of opening a boutiques, whereas her father and siblings were worried that "Selena Etc." would be too hectic to Selena's growing schedule." Selena's BMW was stolen and dumped in the ocean, not in the article and notable. Around this time, Astudillo left the band, but why? In the article it doesn't state that nor does it say he left the group to peruse a solo career. It also doesn't state that Selena's record "Amor Prohibido" (1994) sold over 400,000 copies which was "unheard of" for a Tejano artist. A lot of barriers Selena broke, aren't even mentioned in this article! What about her appearance in Dos mujeres, un camino, it was worth 20 million dollars! And ---> Coca-Cola released a commemorative bottle in her honor to celebrate their five-year relationship, 4,900 bottles were distributed in Texas and New Mexico, by October 1994 the bottles were sold out. Did you know that Selena was given twenty-thousand dollars from Coca-Cola for just saying "I Like Coke"? Selena's image helped her to stay in Coca-Cola after the company fired other celebrities only keeping Selena for Coke, Elton John for Diet Coke and Christopher Cross for Sprite! It doesn't talk about Selena's perfume line and that it was stolen by Saldivar. What about in 1995, Selena became a billionaire?

Controversies

Ok, every entertainer has some, but why isn't Selena's controversies on the article? Did you know Saldivar was making up stories that Selena had cheated on her husband with her doctor and label partner? That Selena wasn't the "girl you knew she was"? That Selena had kept a diary that Saldivar stated had notes about her fantasies, love dept with her husband, how "evil" her father was, and unreleased song lyrics. THESE ALL were featured on News Channels all over the United States! Did you know that her attorney had went to Mexico (where Saldivar confessed of the whereabouts) to retrieve the diary. All of this was thought to release Saldivar from prison! When he got there, guess what? I mean idk I thought it would be in the article! Where is it? Did you know that she was lying, her attorney took himself off as a defense for Saldivar because of this! Did you know that fans had thought Saldivar was a lesbian lover of Selena, which she stated wasn't true? Did you know that she told news channels that Selena had love triangles? All of which were lies? Did you know that Globe publicized the autopsy pictures of Selena without permission? Did you know that her father sued them? What about the "Abraham Quintanilla Jr vs. Maria Celeste" case?

Artistry, stage/charisma, public image, products/endorsements, and her philanthropy sections are ALL missing! These are all important to the article.

Of course the article passed FA only because it was well written. If I had reviewed the article I would've failed it because its not broad in its coverage and it doesn't talk about the MAIN aspects of the article and the subject herself. I would like you to give me insight on how I can merge this User:AJona1992/Sandbox14 into this Selena per WP:Bold?

Thank you, AJona1992 (talk) 06:01, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * My experience with AJona1992 is that he doesn't understand or accept Wikipedia's sourcing policies or UNDUE. Someone should examine this article to see if a FAR is really warranted.  Unless anything of substance is found, the FAR should be closed, and unless Ajona stops doing similar to Selena articles, further DR might be called for.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * yaaaaayyyy wow that was like sooo interesting, haha, thanks for bringing up BS that was like a year ago. Umm ok? You want a cookie? I am still seeing issues about editors not giving me a chance to highlight any issues from the Selena article. I am still being told that there shouldn't anything done because it is "well-written". Now, I clearly will face being blocked from Wikipedia because the shit is getting fucking tiring right about now. I'm going to be BOLD, got a problem, deal with it, or click X and move on to the next article, point blank.


 * Anyways, why can't I be bold on the Selena article? What makes me different then everybody else? I'm using the SAME source that Secret had used. So why can't I put this article up for nomination? Others can do it to FA articles, why not to Selena? Of course you don't know her career well enough to tell me that the article shouldn't be edited, from a user that you had troubles with. Obviously, you are still holding on to that which you really need to let you. I've expanded several Selena articles with that book, two of them (Amor Prohibido, Si Una Vez) being GA articles. Now, that I had some experiences and knowledge from editing articles, I'm now going to be BOLD about Selena. You guys don't want it to be here, however, only because it is well written. What kind of bs is that? If its not broad in its coverage then let someone who highly knows the subject well who has a lot of books, newspapers, magazines, and documentary shows to help better the article. All you are worrying about is blocking me and keeping me away from expanding articles hurting Wikipedia, rather then allowing me to be BOLD and help expand the article to its fullest potential. Furthermore, I DID went to the talk page and told everyone that the article should be expanded from my sandbox, but I needed it c/e because I know that I am still bad with prose. Now a year ago me wouldn't give two f***'s and would've just simply copy-paste the whole thing there. Now if you are just gonna criticize me then take it to my talk page, otherwise please let it go and move on. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2011 (UTC)