Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2007 Pan American Games medal table/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:27, 8 December 2009.

2007 Pan American Games medal table

 * Nominator(s): Felipe Menegaz 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Very detailed medal table that can be compared to the Featured Olympic similars. Felipe Menegaz 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support – Just participated in the Peer Review and I think this list is featured quality. My only remaining concern is the lack of images of athletes from countries other than Brazil, but if that is all we have to work with then I am comfortable with the list as is. Geraldk (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * However, if we expand the type of images beyond simply those showing medal awards, there are images available of athletes from other countries, or at least of other athletes in addition to Brazilian athletes. Some standouts from commons include: table tennis, volleyball, Badminton, basketball, Soccer, and Swimming. I'm curious what other reviewers think - keep the images to medal awards or expand the scope to allow for some diversity of nationalities. Geraldk (talk) 20:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Just one quick comment I noticed in a drive-by: the legend is ambiguous. Does "First medal in the Pan American Games" mean that the country earned its first medal in the Games (ever?), or does it mean that the country earned the first medal in these particular games? Likewise for the "First medal in the Pan American Games". KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 20:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments from KV5
 * Yes, it means that those countries earned their first ever medals. Added ever in the sentences. Felipe Menegaz 22:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The legend for the table (i.e. host nation, first ever medal, etc.) seems to contain two legends per subject--the numerical superscript/note, and the color coding. Maybe this can be simplified by removing one or the other. Personally, I prefer removing the numerical superscript, since that gives the idea that there is are notes at the bottom of the table/page worth considering, which is not the case. Joey80 (talk) 03:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments from Joey80
 * The numerical superscript must be there to meet the needs of readers who have trouble seeing colors, as per Colours. If your concern is simply that symbols may work better than numbers, than I'm sure Felipe can find alternatives to the numbers. Geraldk (talk) 03:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If such is the case, then the numerical/text legend is ok, but the color coding can be removed? Joey80 (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think is better to keep both. As you said, numerical legend only gives the idea that there are notes. The featured list 1998 Winter Olympics medal table already use this template. Felipe Menegaz 23:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, to support Geraldk's comments, it might be better to also include images of athletes of varying nationalities other than Brazilian. Joey80 (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we should only use images related to the medals. Felipe Menegaz 15:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So this includes images of non-Brazilian athletes who won medals. Joey80 (talk) 03:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no free pictures of non-Brazilian athletes during those awards ceremonies. Felipe Menegaz 14:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * All of my comments have been resolved. Thanks. Joey80 (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The ALT text needs work. For the pictures of athletes, you shouldn't mention their name in the ALT text because a non-expert can't see that just be looking at the picture. Instead, describe what the athletes look like, what they're wearing, etc. See ALT. Also, for the map at top, there's no need to describe the colors, just describe what you would take from it. Maybe something like: "The United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, etc. received at least one gold medal" and continue that going over most countries (see ALT). Cheers, Mm40 (talk) 13:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments from Mm40
 * After a huge blackout here in Brazil, I am back. Alternative texts improved. Felipe Menegaz 15:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support – After the resolution of these and the other comments, I'm confident that this meets the standards. Saw a grammar glitch in the alt text of a photo before coming here, but fixed it myself to expedite matters.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 20:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support – Everything looks great and seems to have already been taken care of. Reywas92 Talk  22:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment What does the "..." mean in the "Changes in medal standings" table? Also, why do you use pictures of the medals in that table but use words in the main table? Dabomb87 (talk) 18:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There are just aesthetical reasons. Medal pictures removed. <b style="font-size:small; font-family:vivaldi; color:black;">Felipe Menegaz</b> 20:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant for you to clarify in the article what the three dots meant. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They mean nothing, zero, unchanged. I saw the 2004 Host City Election — ballot results table in Bids for the 2004 Summer Olympics with the dots and I liked. Well, dots removed. <b style="font-size:small; font-family:vivaldi; color:black;">Felipe Menegaz</b> 15:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I just made the blank spaces dashes (since they mean the same thing). Problem solved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. <b style="font-size:small; font-family:vivaldi; color:black;">Felipe Menegaz</b> 01:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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