Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2009 Mediterranean Games medal table/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC).

2009 Mediterranean Games medal table

 * Nominator(s): undefined — Bill william compton Talk   00:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe this is a sustainable candidate for featured list. Wikipedia (of any language) has no featured/good article related to Mediterranean Games (please correct me if I'm wrong), the quadrennial games, in which athletes from nations bordering Mediterranean Sea compete in a variety of sports. The 2013 Mediterranean Games are scheduled to be held in Mersin, Turkey from 20 to 30 June 2013. And, I hope it appears on the main page's TFL. Any comments that will help improve the list are welcome. Thanks for your time and efforts! undefined — Bill william compton Talk  00:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Support The point below is no reason for me not to support this candidate. CRwikiCA talk 13:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * One more thing, I see you used a sortkey for the gold row, which works fine now. The silver, bronze and total columns do not always sort properly, you want them to follow the proper tie-breakers as well. CRwikiCA  talk 13:50, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done undefined — Bill william compton Talk  15:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That is better, I have some remarks with regards to the tie-breakers you used. For the total column, should the first tie-breaker be number of golds? In that case BIH should be switched with CYP and LBA with MNE. For the bronze column, same issue for the countries with 13 or 6 bronzes, what is the tiebreaker there? And for the silver column for the 9, 4 and 3 counts of silver. Probably the best tie breaker is gold-->silver-->bronze for each column, but alternatives could work too. CRwikiCA  talk 16:27, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've used IOC country code as a tiebreaker: if two countries are tied, they are listed alphabetically, according to their respective IOC code. Do you prefer gold→silver→bronze? undefined — Bill william compton Talk  19:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think an argument can be made for both, lets see whether anyone else comments on this, otherwise let it be this way. CRwikiCA  talk</i> 19:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never seen those issues raised before because I've never heard anyone expect the sorting to work that way (retaining ranking despite choosing not to sort by rank). If this is desirable then I think would should do a feature request to include the ntsh template within the RankedMedalRow template. I think the current solution done here is fine anyhow. By the way, what is the advantage of the current wikitable style over the pre-made ? One disadvantage I can see (on my screen at least) is that your gold/silver/bronze headers don't appear to be sortable at first glance. SFB 19:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There were some WP:ACCESS issues with the RankMedalTable template during the 2010 Asian Para Games medal table FLC. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  20:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * These issues were resolved at the time and the template is now suitable for use as it matches the scoping of the current text. Also note that the row scoping on the Asian Para FL has been missing since January 2012. SFB 06:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This doesn't fix the row scoping issue. A visually impaired editor on Hindi Wikipedia says it does help him. If you insist, I'll remove it, but personally I'd weigh accessibility over aesthetics. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  13:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I will raise this at the template pages as an ongoing issue. If we can take the accessibility lessons learnt in this discussion and bring them to a template with over 5000 transclusions then it will make a big difference. I'm not arguing that you should compromise accessibility - rather the opposite! I also expected you to revert the changes to Asian Para list. (BTW you already have my support anyway). SFB 20:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think all medal table articles should have an image-map showing the participants' best medal. Nergaal (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)::Image-map like this? <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  14:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. Nergaal (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  18:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * BIH is not colored correctly. Also, since there are so few participants I almost feel like the two 0-0-0 participating countries should be put at the bottom of the table. Nergaal (talk) 08:01, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't want to be a party pooper, but most of the intro isn't really about the medal count leaving most of the list with borderline-3.b issues. I would strongly suggest converting this list into something like "medal table and medallists at the 2009 games". Nergaal (talk) 08:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with the first part of this but not the second. I think the first paragraph could be more generally summarised to tighten the focus. Less relevant information for a medal table is:
 * Pescara being the third Italian city to host
 * Olympic status of sports
 * Introduction of sports (also are the water skiing medals even listed as a demonstration event? If not this should be stated.)
 * I would also move the medals total sentence into the lead and note that four sports (athletics, swimming, weightlifting, wrestling) accounted for almost half of the total medals awarded. SFB 20:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  08:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Support All my issues resolved. This is ready in my opinion. SFB 19:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Support. My issues have been addressed. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So why are not the three non-medal winners listed at the bottom of the table? Nergaal (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not a convention followed by Wikipedia. Other than that, I've no problem in listing those three NOCs. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  10:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Medal table" section has one too many images. Other than that, I'm happy to support. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 04:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Now there are three, which I hope is ok. <font color="#009900">undefined — Bill william compton <font color="#000000">Talk  10:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
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