Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 14:24, 15 December 2010.

2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table

 * Nominator(s): A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 08:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Co-nominator:

The article satisfies the FL criteria. You may refer to other Olympic medal table FLs. Just a question, will credits be given to significant contributors to the article? Thanks in advance for reviewing, A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 08:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 19:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment there is no real need for the second table. Just update the entry in the main table and add a note to explain the situation. Nergaal (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The second table was added based on precedent at 2008 Summer Olympics medal table. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 04:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I personally think it clarifies the change clearly. Whether the table should be removed because only one medal change was made is something I've no comments on. Fine either way. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 05:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my clumsiness. I should have done a more thorough check! I have one issue that warrants its discussion here. Is or are the Olympics singular or plural? The recently promoted Venues of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics (see FLC) had me convincing reviewers it was singular, and so it stuck. However Strange Passerby believes the Olympics are in plural form and not singular. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 05:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ENGVAR. All our articles on Games in British English-usage countries use the plural. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Which means I would have to make the according changes to Venues of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics as well. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 06:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 10:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

 Comments Support –
 * Don't think the bolding in the lead is necessary. Once you seperate the bolded items for the purpose of creating a better intro, it doesn't look that attractive to leave the bolding in.
 * Medal table: the dashes in the third paragraph should either be made unspaced or turned into smaller en dashes; I recommend the latter for consistency throughout the article.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Both done. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 00:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose
 * "A total of nine nations – Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cyprus, Cambodia, Equatorial Guinea, Guatemala, Jordan, Nauru and Turkmenistan – won their first ever medals at an Olympic event. Puerto Rico, Vietnam and the U.S. Virgin Islands won their first gold medals." Besides pouring over ~50 medal tables, what is sourcing this information?
 * Would provide indendent sources for each, give me a day or two. A NG C HENRUI WP:MSE♨ 11:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've managed to find sources – and add them – for Bolivia, Eq. Guinea, Jordan, Nauru and Puerto Rico. You'll have to forgive me but I'm unable to find sources for the others. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 14:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I have to oppose over unsourced statements, then. Courcelles 00:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Would a link to a search for all medallists from an NOC at www.olympic.org showing no medals be considered a source? E.g. http://www.olympic.org/en/content/All-Olympic-results-since-1896/?AthleteName=Enter%20a%20name&Category=&Games=&Sport=&Event=&MenGender=false&WomenGender=false&MixedGender=false&TeamClassification=false&IndividualClassification=false&Continent=1310290&Country=346682&GoldMedal=false&SilverMedal=false&BronzeMedal=false&WorldRecord=false&OlympicRecord=false&TargetResults=true 85.164.140.22 (talk) 12:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Has Courcelles been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No way to evaluate this idea until it is executed really. This could work or it could not, try it and let's see. Courcelles 02:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you review it now and see if that satisfies your concerns? Thanks. StrPby (talk) 04:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we get some other opinions here? I'm just not sure about showing a blank search result as proof of something. Courcelles 18:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, well from my perspective, I'm not keen on "sources by deduction" i.e. working out that something hadn't happened yet because a source provides no results. I suspect you may need to rely on non-English sources (which is okay, if used reliably, sparingly and with appropriate translation) to fix this problem.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - I have no issues with the list. Afro  ( Talk ) 23:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment – this FLC is stagnating and I believe that as a co-nominator I've done what I can to try to solve the concern raised in the single oppose. However, as this seems to have been unsatisfactory, and as my co-nominator has only made one edit in the past month and has been unable to help on this issue upon which I've reached a dead end, I'm formally requesting the article be withdrawn from consideration from WP:FLC. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 14:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


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