Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/80th Academy Awards/archive1


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The list was archived by Crisco 1492 11:04, 6 December 2014.

80th Academy Awards

 * Nominator(s): Birdienest81 (talk) 17:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I am nominating the 2008 Oscars for featured list because I believe it has great potential to become a Featured List. I also followed how the 1929, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2014 Oscars were written. Birdienest81 (talk) 17:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment: I've not checked the "Ceremony information" section, but I have checked the awards, presenters and performers table against their sources. Below is my feedback. The article seems very thorough and, following a similar format to other successful lists, it seems that it covers all the main areas. You seem to have been the only contributor since at least July (with one exception) and so it appears stable to me.
 * In the introduction, you might want to mention roughly how many people watched the ceremony. Otherwise, the introduction is fine and, being based closely on the others, I see no faults with it.
 * The second paragraph in the introduction ends with "The telecast garnered almost 32 million viewers, making it the least watched Oscar broadcast in history."
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The viewing figures, director and producer should probably be sourced in the infobox, as they are in the 2007 page.
 * Fixed: Used extra copy of link in ratings and reception and used it in infobox
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You have left the double daggers beside the winners, despite stating that the winners would be in bold face.
 * Fixed: Changed sentence to read "Winners are listed first and indicated with a double-dagger".
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The sources lists "Screenplay by Brad Bird; Story by Jan Pinkava, Jim Capobianco, Brad Bird" for Ratatouille in the Best Original Screenplay award. You only list Brad Bird.
 * Fixed: Added Capobianco and Pikava. Also credited them as either story and/or screenplay.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 22:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The Best Foreign Language film section in the source does not list the directors and hence those statements are not sourced in the article.
 * According Academy rules (click here) it states: "The Academy statuette (Oscar) will be awarded to the motion picture and accepted by the director on behalf of the picture’s creative talents. For Academy Awards purposes the country will be credited as the nominee. The directors name will be listed on the statuette plaque after country and film title (Rule 13, Part IV, Section B)" In other words, the award itself is credited toward the country of origin AND the director of the film.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 07:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine - I am not questioning that at all - it is correct to add the directors names. I am also not saying that the information is wrong. However, I am commenting on the fact that the Oscars source itself doesn't actually give the directors - it only gives the countries - and so the article doesn't include references which support the directors' names. If the article were taken on its own, one couldn't verify the names of the directors. Now, it might just be me being pedantic, and other's might disagree with me - I am just making an observation. --Noswall59 (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC).


 * The translation of film names is inconsistent. For instance, you write "Even Pigeons Go To Heaven (Même les pigeons vont au paradis)" in Best Short Animation, yet in Best Live Action Short, you give The Substitute without its original Italian name; the same is true for The Mozart of Pickpockets.
 * In the Best Song category, you don't differentiate between those who wrote the music and those who wrote the lyrics; the article on the 80th awards does make this distinction. An example would be “Happy Working Song” from Enchanted: the source states "Music by Alan Menken; Lyric by Stephen Schwartz".
 * Fixed: Added Music and Lyric credentials.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and good luck with your nomination, --Noswall59 (talk) 08:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC).
 * This is the source you give for the presenters and performers lists. Firstly, it doesn't actually state which award they presented or what they performed. Secondly, Tom Kane, Randy Thomas, John Stewart, Barry B. Benson and Sid Ganis all appear in your list but not in the source. Furthermore, the source states that Queen Latifa was a presenter, but she is not included in your list. Finally, the performers list also capitalises Impact in "IMPACT Repertory Theatre of Harlem" and does not mention Bill Conti, who appears in your list.
 * Thanks for making the changes you have, --Noswall59 (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC).
 * NB: I have added citation needed tags to the performers and presenters tables where neither of the sources support the article. --Noswall59 (talk) 14:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC).
 * I've sorted this on behalf of Birdienest81. Cowlibob (talk) 20:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, that fine - thanks Cowlibob, I will mark that as fixed. I am happy to change to support now. Well done! --Noswall59 (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC).

Support: Great work once again.--Jagarin 02:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Comments –
 * In the Coens' picture, shouldn't "winner" be plural in this case?
 * Presenters: Keri Russell's note needs "of" after the first word.
 * Ceremony information: An en dash is needed in the year range of 2007-08 Writers Guild of America strike.
 * Don't think the second word of "Oscar Night" should be capitalized.
 * Critical reviews: Is "What" or another word missing from the beginning of the "We got instead" quote?
 * In "that numerous film montage seemed to diminish Stewart's job as host", "montage" should be made plural.
 * "but praised Stewart writing". "Stewart" → "Stewart's".
 * First word of the Brian Lowry quote is a typo.
 * All caps in ref 38 should be removed. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Birdienest81, it would be good if you could deal with these. I'm liable to archive within the next three days otherwise. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I've fixed most of the problems. I'll get an update really REALLY sooon.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Giants, what do you think? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The second issue is still outstanding, but all the others are fixed and I misread one of the items in question anyway. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Cowlibob
Fixed point 2 above. Other minor things to fix. When you make these fixes, which shouldn't take long, I'd be happy to support. Cowlibob (talk) 11:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * For the critical reception section, make language more neutral e.g. not bemoaned, complained, marvelled.
 * Ratings section: 31.76 million + 21% decrease year on year figures not supported by ref (32 million in ref). Source for 31.76 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/02/01/opinion.medved/) Source for 21% fall (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/26/entertainment/et-oscarratings26). 64.19 million cumulative figure not supported by ref. (ref 51 works to support this add in-line cite here.).


 * — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


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