Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Coach of the Year/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 04:11, 5 June 2010.

Atlantic Coast Conference Men's Basketball Coach of the Year

 * Nominator(s): Jrcla2 (talk) 04:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC) and Remember (talk)

I am re-submitting this for FL consideration because the last time I made it a candidate (a few months ago) there was no consensus due to lack of participation. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I"m finding a peer review for this list, but I'm striking out finding a prior FLC. Was it under a different title then? Courcelles (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * On second thought, maybe I never did submit it (?). If I did, it happened between March 20–30, 2010, so maybe it's worth looking in the archives during that time period. If I didn't I apologize because I thought I had. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * The lead is complete unreferenced. Of primary concern is the first paragraph.
 * See the peer review for explanation.
 * I agree with the peer review. You don't need to cite anything that is covered by other citations in the table. Which is why I singled out the opening paragraph. Nowhere in the list does is mention the award goes to the "most outstanding" coach as voted on by the members of that media association. Nor does it say that the 1953-54 season was the first of the ACC. These are examples of content in your lead that is not covered by the list and need to be cited.—NMajdan •talk 19:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Revised. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * - Since the award is given out yearly (and you state this), I think this sentence is redundant and pointless. Now, if it had been given out more or less times than the number of seasons, then that may be worth noting, but not this.
 * Revised. Remember (talk) 17:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The lead is a little on the short side. I especially don't care for the two-sentence paragraph. Can it be expanded or combined with another paragraph? To expand the lead, it might be worth noting that Bobby Cremins is the only coach to have won the award with a losing season.
 * I'd like to see the Nat'l COY column sortable. Just have it where those that won awards are grouped together.
 * Revised. Remember (talk) 17:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the lack of relation between Gary and Roy Williams needs to be mentioned. At the very least, if it stays, it needs to be cited.
 * Revised (footnote removed).


 * Refs 3 & 8 seem to link back to the Wiki page.
 * Nothing can really be done about that, it's part of the way the references are (automatically) formatted.
 * I'm not talking about the formatting. Clicking the link should take you to the source. It does not.—NMajdan •talk 19:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All I'm saying is that the links are automatically put on those references via the way the references are set up. To more easily understand what I mean, go to the article and try to edit it yourself. You can't just de-link them because they are referring to the general references. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what its doing. Those are referring to references in the general references. Typically, references are either in general or specific, not both. Using the method you are, why isn't the ACC Coach of the Year references in general as well?—NMajdan •talk 20:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Many other lists utilize it that way. One FL for example (here) uses basketball–reference.com as a general reference and then uses each specific player's page on basketball–reference as a citation. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless, the link needs to be fixed on the specific section. The actual reference can stay, but the link should not reload the page, it should be removed or go to the external source.—NMajdan •talk 14:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. I just have no idea how to fix this (I tried and failed). If anyone knows how, please let me know. Remember (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with the Harvard referencing templates, so I cannot help either. But it does need to be fixed. If you are not able to get help, I suggest converting to plain text instead of templates. No point in using templates if they are used incorrectly.—NMajdan •talk 20:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the links; since there are only two general refs they are hardly necessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This still seems to be an issue (references 5 & 10 now).» NMajdan · talk
 * I removed the links so there should not be any more issues. Remember (talk) 17:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hope that helps.—NMajdan •talk 16:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Need to either wikilink or describe what a pick-up game is.
 * Revised. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * - This is usually listed as since the change in century.
 * Revised. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support.» NMajdan · talk 15:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Content question: would it be a good idea to mention in the lead how many of these award winners won national championships in the same season?
 * Spell out NCAA as the publisher in the general reference. Also, I believe "Stating" should be de-capitalized if possible.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 21:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Revised. Remember (talk) 02:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * With the second comment, I meant spelling the NCAA out as the publisher of the reference, not changing the initials in the title of the linked page as seems to have been done.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to provide an update for the directors' sake, I'm neutral as long as an issue exists regarding the fair-use image. If it is resolved one way or the other, I'd be inclined to support.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 02:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Support and I very much appreciate you taking the time to (a) understand my sorting issue and (b) fixing my sorting issue. Good work.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * I'm not sure the use of non-free content on this article is warranted. I think cropping the legs of of Dean Smith's photo would be as good in the lede as the NFC. Gary Williams photo could then be added to the body... or vice versa.
 * Reply: The reason I used the ACC logo rather than a picture of Gary Williams is because the infobox is about the award in general. Yes, it mentions the latest winner, but it's an ACC award and I think that an ACC logo is appropos here. Also, not that it would be a terrible hassle, but changing the photo every single year to match the newest coach would be annoying (besides, it's not guaranteed the latest winner would even have a pic on Wikipedia). Jrcla2 (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Then crop and use Dean Smith's- I truly believe use in this article is against NFCC criteria 8. Courcelles (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that as of the closure of this FLC, the non-free image has been removed. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Capped everything but the NFCC concern above. Courcelles (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Mostly good, just found a few issues, most of which were the same as Brad's above. I have one extra one though:
 * North Carolina State uses "NC State" in its own article, and that seems to be the common use, so that's how it should be in this article. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 20:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Revised. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 03:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Support - looks good to me.— Chris! c / t 22:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


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