Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Atomic Kitten discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 17:08, 16 November 2010.

Atomic Kitten discography

 * ''Nominator(s): Mister sparky (talk)

I am nominating this for featured list because alot of work has been done recently do improve formatting, sourcing, layout, info etc and we feel it's up to a high standard. Mister sparky (talk) 13:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Restarted, old version.


 * Note I have restarted this nomination because the consensus and status of various concerns was unclear. Can all reviewers please revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Still no dab or dead external links Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. I was ready to support before, but forgot. Ruslik_ Zero 07:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you :) Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - I have no real problem with the list. Afro  ( Talk ) 10:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you :) Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support: nice discography, i think it should be a FL-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you :)

Oppose

Worried by the number supporting a list which is lacking in verifiability IMO.
 * Can I ask where the numbers "(EREDV #270)", "(#0094633073623)" all that kind of stuff comes from as it isn't covered by the general references.
 * the cat numbers for the albums are on the occ ref and the allmusic ones. Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Found the CDSIN... ones on The Official Charts Company not the others. For example, take the box set you have (#0094633073623) but Allmusic just has 30736. And Atomic Kitten has the Cat. No. blank. Additionally, Allmusic list it as a main album not a compilation? Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * allmusic lists as a main because it's an american site and it is the only album they released in america. but it's a compilation of the right now and feels so good albums. and it also lists cradle as a main album, and that was a single, so allmusic does make mistakes sometimes. and the hung medien sites also list the cat numbers. Mister sparky (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay but I can't find any reference on the discog that give the Access All Areas: Remixed and B-Sides (#0094633073623) number I listed as example. Similary for others. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  22:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * "Music videos" section. The directors all need references.
 * they are. ref 42. Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Do I sound like I was born yesterday? A DVD released in 2004 is referencing music videos that weren't even made or directed yet? Predicting the future like that, I'm suprised EMI aren't more successful... Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * very rude. and very unnecessary. Mister sparky (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't rude, or unnecessary!.WashesOverMe (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But still very unreferenced. Sorry if my you didn't like my tone but I didn't like being told something was referenced when it clearly wasn't and in a tone suggesting I was completely ignorant of where a reference might be found. Rambo's Revenge (talk)</b>  21:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * still unnecessary. your comment makes it sound like none of them are referened, when in fact it's only 1 that isn't. but removed for now until one can be found. Mister sparky (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What about "Cradle 2005". Access All Areas: Remixed and B-Sides "DVD Greatest Hits (Music Videos)" section has "Cradle" but not "Cradle 2005" so one of those is not referenced. Also an animated video would still have a director. By the way this has also alerted me to the fact that the release date of the box-set is a year earlier than the references say. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  21:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * the cradle listed on the dvd is cradle 2005. cradle was originally an album track on the right now album in 1999, but was re-recorded and released as a charity single in 2005, hence the different name. and yes you are correct, was 2005 not 2004. Mister sparky (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, you're wrong... The "Cradle" on this DVD is the original that was only released in Asia. "access all areas" is basically "Greatest Hits Live", but was only released in Asia, but has an added album which includes some remixes and B-sides, hence the title "Remixed and B-Sides"...I've added another reference, however. WashesOverMe (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay then the original "Cradle" (dir. Alex Hemmings) is unreferenced then. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  22:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * changed to unknown. Mister sparky (talk) 22:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You cannot just change to "unknown". That fails 3. Comprehensiveness IMO. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  22:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * then what do you suggest?! cuz this is going nowhere... Mister sparky (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Reference for "You Are" (UK#90) and "Anyone Who Had a Heart" (UK#77)? only covers top 75.
 * added. Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Reference for Right Now (AUS#86), Ladies Night (AUS#67), Greatest Hits (AUS#24)? only lists Feels So Good
 * added refs for right now and ladies night. the article does not say that greatest hits was 24 in australia. Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I misread AUT as AUS for that one. Thanks, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  20:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have checked a very small sample of other charts which were okay (although some of the sites are not easy to navigate www.top40.nl!!) so I retain some faith, just a bit sloppy in checking everything is referenced. Please double check.
 * with the dutch ref you just click on the song you want to verify and it goes straight to the page that shows the chart for that week. Mister sparky (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't usually do DISCOGS but looking at GOODCHARTS I don't see www.top40.nl. All the others seem okay at a glance. That wiki page isn't actually as helpful as I thought as I assume anything from HungMedian is okay although the page doesn't seem to list a lot of the websites you've used.
 * [wp:goodcharts] is just a guide anyways, this article uses the same websites that the majority of fl discogs do. top40.nl is the official website of the dutch top 40, you can't get more reliable than that. Mister sparky (talk) 19:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, I think allmusic may have reindexed the site. Take http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:fjfrxqujldae~T21 which redirects back to the All Saints main page but I guess is meant to go to http://allmusic.com/artist/atomic-kitten-p398542/discography/compilations. Goes for both general refs too. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  20:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * yes it appears they have. thanks for pointing that out. Mister sparky (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments


 * mentions nothing about the group's sales numbers
 * Yes it does, in the "about Liz" section. WashesOverMe (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * you have to click on the "about liz" sub-section. cannot link to the actual page. Mister sparky (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, but how is it a reliable source? Also it doesn't mention anything about selling 'almost' 10m. Adabow (talk · contribs) 19:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * it's the official website of one of the band members. the source says "sold 10 million records globally", the 'almost' was added due to being told to in the previous nom. Mister sparky (talk) 20:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please try to find a different source, as this primary source can interfere with WP:NPOV. Why not "about" 10 million?


 * Why is the 'year' column so wide in the 'Video albums' section?
 * It is the same size as the rest! WashesOverMe (talk) 11:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * it is the same as the rest, no width is specified. Mister sparky (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * On Google Chrome the year column is massive. Can you please force the width? It seems fine on IE and Firefox. Adabow (talk · contribs) 19:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems Chrome has trouble here. Advice from the VP is not to use pixel widths and em or en widths instead. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  19:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * googlechrome having trouble is not my problem... Mister sparky (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note these edits by WashesOverMe are a sock of blocked user AtomicMarcusKitten. I've reinstated those remove comments in small font as the parallel edits to the list have not been reverted and this gives some explanation as to why they edits occured, also some of Mister sparky's replies were based on these comments. AtomicMarcusKittenwas formerly part of this as a joint nom. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, 'Albums' is the first section (level 2 header), but why are video albums not in here? Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * because the video albums are vhs and dvd's of live perfomances and music video compilations, not music albums. Mister sparky (talk) 12:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Everything looks ok, nothing I would oppose for.--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you :) Mister sparky (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Have The Rambling Man, Adabow, and Rambo's Revenge been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * they have. Mister sparky (talk) 19:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose Why are the albums' tables formatted one way, but the rest of the discography (for eg, video albums) in another? Same goes for the "List of albums, with selected chart positions and certifications" note; why isn't it consistently used for all tables? (I'd actually prefer it if it were removed throughout)—indopug (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * new WP:DISCOGSTYLE guidelines are being rolled out sporadically. has been discussed previously in this nomination that anything related to that is irrelevant to the FLC review. however, things may have changed, as they do very often.... Mister sparky (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose this doesn't seem to be formatted in line with other interpretations of WP:DISCOGSTYLE, moreover the overuse of bold text appears to be in direct conflict with WP:MOS (and, after all, featured lists must comply with WP:MOS, not a Wikiproject style guide). The Rambling Man (talk) 13:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is "Video albums" table so oddly formatted (e.g. year col is far too wide?) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * See the comment Adabow made above. I pointed out it is due to Chrome, but despite providing the nominator with a solution to the problem they have refused to implement it. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  18:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, well I'm using Safari (which many Mac users will be doing) so it's not just a Chrome problem, so I suggest the nominator pulls out the finger to fix this one. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * well maybe the nominator just can't be arsed with all this crap anymore and actually has better things to do with his time. Mister sparky (talk) 14:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you withdrawing the nomination? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nominator's userpage says he is retired, but he is still active. There have been no attempts to fix issues in the last fortnight. I suggest an FLC director pulls the plug here, as FLC is quite backlogged. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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