Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Azealia Banks discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat 08:12, 3 August 2015.

Azealia Banks discography

 * Nominator(s):  Azealia 911  talk  13:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

This article details the musical releases of controversial American rapper Azealia Banks. Nominated once before, the sole reason it didn't pass was a lack of involvement, hopefully that won't be the case, and this time we can reach a clear consensus. Article has been worked on by myself and various others since the past nomination, and I feel it's even better than the previous occasion. Any and all comments appreciated, thanks.  Azealia 911  talk  13:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Good job! Littlecarmen (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou! Much appreciated :)  Azealia 911  talk  16:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, I also currently have a list nominated for featured list status here. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look :) Littlecarmen (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment on referencing: Do you have anything stating that these were all released as singles? That a song charted is not enough; charts do not always differentiate between singles and promotional singles like the discography here does. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Is the fact that all of them have independent articles not enough? I understand your point completely, and have even used it myself when giving comments, but usually in FL discographies, the only listings that need references are the ones without independent articles, as seen in the "As featured artist" section.  Azealia 911  talk  00:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're relying on the existing articles, that is fundamentally the same as citing Wikipedia. And Wikipedia is about as reliable a source as a blog by Joe Blow in Kalamazoo. (In policy/guideline-based terms, relying on Wikipedia as a source is a violation of WP:CIRCULAR) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No no no, certainly was not relying on citing the 'pedia. Independent articles just usually contain a release history section, I'm more than happy to cite the singles, it's just rarely done, on literally all the featured discographies I can think of, singles with independent article aren't cited.  Azealia 911  talk  01:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You said that "Is the fact that all of them have independent articles not enough?", which suggests that you (and most previous discog writers) have depended on those articles having citations, rather than citing the single release in the list here. It's not the exact same as citing Wikipedia, but it does depend on the information in the single articles being cited. I recognize that most discographies haven't had references for the single/EP/LP/etc. designation of a release, but that's something we need to start changing. We shouldn't be relying on other articles to reference any information in our lists, even non-controversial stuff. I'll definitely be bringing up the issue with subsequent discogs I see. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Totally agree, my bad for depending on those articles, without even knowing so. I'd definitely agree with you on stricter rules for FL discography referencing. Have added citations to all singles.  Azealia 911  talk  01:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Pretty good work. My only question is this: are worldwide sales are available for her album? Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not. WW sales are usually included in "Worlwide best sellers" year-end lists, and as you can probably tell, 30K in the first week of November won't really place her on those lists.  Azealia 911  talk  18:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll support, but you really should include such figures if they come along. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to as soon as anything's published, thankyou for the support.  Azealia 911  talk  18:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments from FrB.TG

 * Support – All of my comments have been addressed with a timely response. -- Frankie  talk 08:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou! Appreciate it.  Azealia 911  talk  10:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comments:
 * Lead section: "she released her debut music video, a visual for a song titled "L8R"", I think you could edit "a visual", it is redundant.
 * Done  Azealia 911  talk


 * Maybe you could include something about her featured performances with Britney and Beyonce. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * They aren't actually official features, merely Banks' remixes, one of which was even taken down for copyright. Maybe it'd make sense for me to do the opposite and remove the two womens' names from "other releases" the table?  Azealia 911  talk  20:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't an issue with other reviewers, I think you should leave it as it is. I am giving you my support for this to be a FL. Good work. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:10, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou, muchly appreciated!  Azealia 911  talk  21:13, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

None of the directors are sourced/referenced. Some are in the references to the video releases but most aren't. Dan arndt (talk) 23:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * ...umm...did you actually check the references? Every single director is mentioned in the reference for the listing...  Azealia 911  talk  23:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * My bad, shouldn't try and get things done so early in the morning. I would suggest that in addition to the production company (i.e. Were Were Monkeys) you try and include the actual directors as well (i.e. Mihai Wilson & Marcella Moser) or Rankin should be John Rankin Waddell. If you can try and find who the actual directors at BBGun Films were that would be a bonus. I also managed to track down Fafi's real name for you, it's Fabienne Fafi. I hope that helps. Dan arndt (talk) 01:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For single directors like Rankin and Fafi, I think I'll stick with their stage name, they seem to use them for a reason, plus suggesting to change any vocalists stage names to their real names would be somewhat odd, so I'll paint everyone with the same brush. As for companies, I've added WWM's, however it was hard enough to track down the company that directed "L8R", finding the exact directors for a five year old low-budget video, all in a reliable source? After looking for the best part of an hour, I've got zilch. Thankyou for going the extra mile though, I really appreciate it!  Azealia 911  talk  02:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - that's a personal choice. I would however change 'Rob Soucy & Nick Ace' to 'Rob Soucy, Nick Ace', as they are two separate individuals not a company (and I also hate the use of '&' when and is more appropraite).Dan arndt (talk) 02:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Separated the two.  Azealia 911  talk  02:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's great. I also have a query about the grammar in "It was further promoted by the single "Liquorice"." - how was the EP further promoted by the release of the single? Also if you could add ref [28] to the end of the sentence "As of November 2014, the EP has sold 35,000 copies in the United States." would also help. Dan arndt (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Singles promote projects, like how the video for the single features links to the EP in the footnotes "iTunes: (http://smartrl.it/1991EP)" when the video could've just linked to the single, as opposed to the full originating EP. I'd be happy to change if you want to suggest something though. As for the ref, WP:LEAD states that refs don't have to be repeated, but considering it's a challenge-able statistic, I can add it if you really want.  Azealia 911  talk  02:51, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I know that singles are supposed to promote album sales but is there anything that specifically links the sales of the EP to the release of the single. I'm probably being pedantic & it may not be worth worrying about.
 * I think given it is a challengeable statistic its worth playing safe.
 * I would also suggest that the link BEL (FL) Urb. be replaced with BEL (FL) Urb. - gives a more exact location in the article. If there are any others where you can pinpoint the exact topic it would assist. Dan arndt (talk) 02:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Inserted sales ref, Ultratip doesn't relate to Ultratop, it'd be like doing the following US Rap, linked it to a more specific place in the article though.  Azealia 911  talk  03:06, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't see anything else, so I'm prepared to Support this nomination. Dan arndt (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou!  Azealia 911  talk  10:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments from &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 
 * "In 2012, she signed a record deal with Interscope and Polydor Records to record her debut studio album" - Too many 'records'
 * Not sure if linking music critics isn't WP:OLINK
 * The album itself received" - Why there is an emphasis (itself) in the sentence?


 * That's all I have &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 11:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , thankyou for your comments, I've addressed them all.  Azealia 911  talk


 * Support – Looks solid on prose &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 12:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou!  Azealia 911  talk


 * – SchroCat (talk) 14:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


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