Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Black Eyed Peas discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 14:00, 3 February 2010.

Black Eyed Peas discography

 * Nominator(s): Mister sparky (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because in the last FLC discussion there were alot of problems with the article that have now been addressed and more time has passed so there is now more information and article is longer. Mister sparky (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Quick drive-by comment - in the "other appearances" section, is it really necessary to have a notes column stating that the song was from the soundtrack of film X when the column immediately to the left lists the album the song's on as being the soundtrack to film X......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Any plans to respond to this point I raised nearly two weeks ago, even if only to tell me to get lost? :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * hey, oops! sorry i missed that one! its just how ive seen the table set out in other articles and sometimes the column is necessary. i agree that it probably isnt this time. oh and i'd never tell you to get lost :p Mister sparky (talk) 11:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * thank you for your comments! :) Mister sparky (talk) 11:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment: I noticed the IRE cell in the Singles section looks different than the others. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * no idea how just that 1 cell ended up a different font size... fixed now tho Mister sparky (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Two more comments - there is a single listed as charting in 2010, when we are still only in 2009, and the second video album is mistitled, it should be Live from Sydney to Vegas (no "Las") -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed :) Mister sparky (talk) 12:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Support Mm40 (talk) 14:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * thank you! :) Mister sparky (talk) 14:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Check the toolbox; there is one dead link. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * fixed :) Mister sparky (talk) 22:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Comment Looks really good. My only comment is that ref 35 needs to be formatted (it's just a bare URL right now). Dabomb87 (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * has now been formatted like the rest, but isn't showing up as formatted. which i don't understand... Mister sparky (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In the URL, there is a space between "Mas" and "Que", and between "Que" and "Nada". I think you need to either delete the spaces or make them underscores (_). Dabomb87 (talk) 18:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, refs that are not in English need to be denote as such, using the  parameter. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for that. fixed now :) Mister sparky (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

thank you! Mister sparky (talk) 02:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ref #25 is in a different language and needs to be specified, other than that it looks fine to me. Afro  ( Not a Talk Page ) - Afkatk 05:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * that ref is itunes and is in english? the refs that are in french, dutch or german say so. Mister sparky (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * At the time of my comment it wasn't specified, but since has been, so my comment is outdated. Afro  ( Not a Terrible Joke ) - Afkatk 17:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments from
 * In the video albums section, why aren't the labels of the albums given?
 * fixed Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You are pipe-linking "Universal Island" (which I suppose you read on the physical album) to Island Def Jam Music Group. How do you know that "Universal Island" is Island Def Jam Music Group?
 * fixed Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Reference 39 could use a date of publication.
 * added Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Why is the director field empty for the music video "Union"?
 * could not find via a reliable source. Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thus far, all attempts at convincing me that Chart Stats holds up to our standards for sources have failed. I suggest you look for another source.
 * chartstats was included because so far every other reviewer has accepted validity. however, have added everyhit.com Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyhit.com apparently doesn't cover titles that didn't reach Top 40. This leaves several entries sourced only to Chart Stats, the presence of which among the references is, by the way, not acceptable.  Good raise  17:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * removed the positions that couldnt be sourced by everyhit, used chartsplus for the others. removed chartstats completely. Mister sparky (talk) 22:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you considered adding rankings in the Japanese charts? The E.N.D. for example peaked there at number two.
 * the e.n.d charted highly in a number of countries around the world. but only choosing the countries where the band charted highly would not give a fair representation of chart performance. Mister sparky (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I never suggested doing that. I was merely giving a sourced example. Let me put it differently: Right now all countries covered are either European or primarily English-speaking. Adding (just for example) Japan wouldn't make the representation less fair, but more balanced.  Good raise  17:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I have given this nomination a thorough review and fixed various issues myself and would support if it weren't for the issues listed above. For now, I will have to oppose, mainly because of the usage of Chart Stats.  Good raise  07:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I can now weakly support this nomination. What's keeping me from fully supporting is the imbalance of covered national charts with all nations being either European or primarily English-speaking.  Good raise  00:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I have to oppose again. After reading everyHit.com's two about pages, about.html and about2.html. I fail to see how the page meets the criteria. My apologies for accepting the source initially, I should have acted more carefully.  Good raise  19:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * the BBC regularly uses everyhit.com as a source for its music articles one eg here, the BBC would not use a source which is unreliable. Mister sparky (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * also, everyhit.com has been cited by British MPs during policy discussions: . Mister sparky (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * also by Reuters and even in Norway. Mister sparky (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly, the reliable sources noticeboard thread on everyHit.com did not produce a lot of feedback. Looking at the provided examples of everyHit.com being cited by other sources myself, I have to admit that it's a start, but it's not enough for me to accept the source, especially since better sources do exist. Then there is the newly introduced source Video Static that looks to me like a random blog. What makes it reliable? Finally, there's the fact that the list limits itself to charts of primarily English-speaking and European nations, which is a balance problem at best, a lack of comprehensiveness at worst. -- "A featured list exemplifies our very best work." I'm sorry, but this list does not. Remaining opposed.  Good raise  02:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, the newly added reference 28 seems to be broken. It brings me to Allmusic's start page.  Good raise  03:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * well nothing else i can do about your chart opinion, each position can be individually cited by using chartsplus but that would be an unnecessary last resort. out of a list of 10 counties, only 5 are english-speaking and only 6 are european. the only other country you could be meaning to add would be japan. then that demonstrates an unfair bias towards japan on your part because of your insistance of its addition. and fixed ref 28. Mister sparky (talk) 18:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I was merely giving a sourced example. You said yourself that "the e.n.d charted highly in a number of countries around the world". I may assume that is the case for other of the band's albums and singles too? Those charts are published somewhere, aren't they? If they are, then not including them becomes an issue of comprehensiveness.  Good raise  00:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * well have had a good search through the net using various translators to find BEP charting info in japan. but so far, have only found that 1 album that charted there, the example you provided. which other country that has a reliable chart archive that isn't already included would you recommend? Mister sparky (talk) 00:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Here the database entries for BEP albums that charted in Japan with online translation links for your convenience: trans.  trans.  trans.  trans.  trans.  trans.  trans.  trans. BTW, the website can be searched conveniently from here. As for your question: You don't seem willing to understand that the existence of a convenient online archive is not a prerequisite for inclusion. Any reliable source will do, even ones printed on paper.  Good  raise  00:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * also removed the videostatic ref until a more reliable source becomes available and added footnote. Mister sparky (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * General
 * Alt text, dabs and external links all check out fine.
 * Did you consult with User:Garden about this nomination? Since he originally nominated the article the first time around?
 * Mister sparky is the primary contributor, but perhaps we should add Garden as a co-nominator. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * didn't consult User:Garden because he only contributed to the article from 5th-21st Feb 2009 during the FLC discussions and hasn't been back since. Mister sparky (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's only fair since he did make the initial nomination.-- T ru  c o   503 03:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * The main problem I see is that you state phrases like ..charted number two in France or ..charted in Canada. But there are so many charts in each country, which one could you possibly be speaking of? I would make it clear by stating which chart, as you did with the US Billboard.
 * added. but most redirect to the recording industry. Mister sparky (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Billboard Hot 100 should have the link when it is first mentioned not on the second instance.
 * fixed Mister sparky (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Studio albums
 * Why does the NZ pipe to the recording industry versus to a chart article?
 * rianz is the provider of the new zealand charts. and there isn't an article for the new zealand album chart. Mister sparky (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Goodraise above that why not mention all the charts? Not just English based ones.
 * main reason was that this is the english wikipedia and english is the most widely spoken language in the world. and only 5 out of the 10 countries are english speaking. 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * also, even with google translate, trying to understand the japanese website was proving very difficult. so if you know of an enlgish one? Mister sparky (talk) 17:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Singles
 * The first couple of singles need to be verified somehow since they did not chart, they have no legit or direct source.
 * added Mister sparky (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Directors
 * Why does Union not have a director?
 * could not find via a reliable source. Mister sparky (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Then state that in a footnote.-- T ru  c o   503 03:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * added Mister sparky (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

-- T ru  c o   503 16:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support -- Comments resolved; meets WP:WIAFL. T ru  c o   503 03:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you! :) Mister sparky (talk) 11:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Quick Comment - Is there a reason why Shot is in Caps in Ref #50? Afro  ( Its More Than a Feeling ) - Afkatk 20:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * having a quick look, the section of the article where the information is located has it as the heading. Mister sparky (talk) 22:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I would think per WP:ALLCAPS it shouldn't be All caps. Plus #37 ^ a b ""Blackl Eyed Peas: Discography: DVDs & Videos". " typo. Afro  ( Its More Than a Feeling ) - Afkatk 00:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * good point! thanks, fixed. Mister sparky (talk) 00:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Now that those minor things are fixed I have no problems with the list. Afro  ( Its More Than a Feeling ) - Afkatk 11:50, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you! :) Mister sparky (talk) 12:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support: I cannot find any issues with this article. It is well written, properly charted and well sourced. It meets all the FLC criteria and does demonstrate the best WP has to offer. Ground  Z3R0   002  22:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thank you! :) Mister sparky (talk) 18:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you fix the reference that Goodraise has noted above? It does, indeed, just lead to the Allmusic homepage.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * when i click on ref 28 it goes to the correct page? Mister sparky (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, you're right. The link in the article is correct.  The link posted above by Goodraise does link to the homepage.  No problem then.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * silly goodraise. Mister sparky (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I pointed it out. You fixed it. Why am I silly?  Good raise  00:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment While I agree that everyhit.com is not of the highest quality, I think the links provided ensure that it's at least acceptable, and as it used sparingly, I don't think it's a big enough issue to deny this list FL status. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Though the About section of the site is makes it kind of questionable, I think it can be used in this case and as it was said at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard BBC Radio One does recommend it. Afro  ( Its More Than a Feeling ) - Afkatk 00:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks guys :) Mister sparky (talk) 21:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments – The writing itself seems fine, but why is "I Gotta Feeling" linked twice so close together? That has to be the closest repeated linking I've ever seen in an article. I also noticed the missing director in the video listing; this may have been tried already, but is the name given in the video itself? If so, you could just cite the video. Not a big deal if it isn't there, though.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:30, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * fixed the overlink, no idea why it was linked twice so close together lol. but the director for Union has only been found via blogs and fansites so far :( Mister sparky (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


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