Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Central Committee elected by the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)/archive2


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Central Committee elected by the 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)

 * ''Nominator(s): --TIAYN (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Why? I felt it was important. Its pretty much a list of the entire Soviet party leadership 1934–1939. If someone notices why so many people died during the 1930s its because Stalin killed them. Thanks, --TIAYN (talk) 08:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Please replace all symbols with their corresponding symbol template for accessibility, similar to what you did for the Star of David. Thisisnotatest (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * They don't have corresponding template, and unlike the venus symbol and the star of david, these are random symbols which can mean whatever the editor wants.. There is no reason to templatize them. So why should I?--TIAYN (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Manual_of_Style/Accessibility says some of those symbols will likely be read aloud to blind people using screen reader software as question marks. Rather than creating new templates, you could replace those symbols with symbols that already have templates. Thisisnotatest (talk) 22:43, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But this is what I don't understand.. You said to templatize the star of david because there could be some people didn't know what the star of david was.. OK, so another description was added. ... But these symbols are random; so "†	Indicates that the individual died of natural causes" should be enough (and a person can read this to a blind person). --TIAYN (talk) 07:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe I said it wasn't accessible to blind people. The reason is that screen readers won't read it. But actually, I was thinking about it today, there's a larger issue. When it was just one symbol on that other page, the Star of David, which is well recognized for Jewish, that was probably okay. But now, this key is adding multiple symbols with meanings unrelated to their appearance. That's a lot of meaning for all people, not just blind people, to keep in their heads (or to scroll up and down and up and down) as they try to use the table. It would be better to replace the symbols with a brief word or two and just add another column to the table to contain that new word.

The table is to big; we use symbols so that they don't take much space. The "Keys" section is there so that people can go back and forward. There is no need for the changes you're calling for. Its normal, other FLs do the same, for instance List of San Francisco 49ers head coaches, List of Indianapolis Colts seasons, List of Alabama Crimson Tide bowl games, List of Silver Slugger Award winners at catcher (I could go on forever). No need. --TIAYN (talk) 13:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

There are plenty of other things in the table that take space. The table needs to be accessible and easily usable. One advantage of making each symbol a template as that it would also mouseover so that someone wouldn't have to scroll back up to the key. The fact that many pages use this system doesn't make it accessible or usable or that the featured list program ought to excuse it in the future. If you're concerned about space, then at least an abbreviation for each term would still be more usable than what is there now. Thisisnotatest (talk) 00:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * – 13:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


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