Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Chris Brown discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:03, 30 December 2010.

Chris Brown discography

 * Nominator(s): Candy  o32  16:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

For some reason the first FLC was closed as all current comments had been resolved and was waiting for feedback from the reviewing editors. The previous corrections from the first FLC have been made and it the discography should meet FL criteria as of now. Candy o32  19:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Drive-by comments
 * No period/full stop in infobox caption, as it's not a complete sentence
 * Done.


 * "Peaks above 100 are peaks of the singles on either the Bubbling Under Hot 100 or Bubbling Under Hot 100, 25 song extensions of the Billboard Hot 100 and Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, respectively." - any reason for two "Bubbling Under Hot 100"s? I see they don't link to the same place, but then why do they have the same name? &mdash; KV5  •  Talk  •  19:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. Fixed. Candy  o32  20:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments

Note the first nomination was closed as WP:FLC is not WP:PR. The initial quality of the list was of great concern. Please don't nominate lists of that nature again. Glad to see it back in a better state. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I think I'm done for good now :). Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My confusion was that all corrections had been made at the time of closure. Candy  o32  12:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well when I archived it, there were many, many issues. Just took Gimmebot nearly 12 hours to close it formally.  Anyway, we're here now. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, my apologies. I forgot about the Gimmebot. Candy  o32  14:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - The lead is totally unsourced why is this? Ref 4, 7 need language parameters. Swiss isn't a language. Ref 14 has no publisher. Ref 70 looks and probably is incomplete. "No Air" has a few unsourced Certifications. In Mixtapes, you source "In My Zone" but not "Fan of a Fan" why? Afro  ( Talk ) 23:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We established on the previous review that the lead is source as all chart positions and certs are sourced. Per WP:LEAD, refs are discouraged in the lead if sources are present in the other parts of article. No sales or anything are posted that would require sourcing. Fan of a Fan is sourced because its notability criterion is established because it has its own page, while In My Zone does not, and if not sourced, its establishment could be questioned. That's just like F.A.M.E. being sourced while all the other albums aren't. All refs in question are fixed. Couldn't find sources for other "No Air" peaks so removed. Candy  o32  02:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok Fair enough. "Fan of a Fan" is fine without a reference but "Chris Brown's Journey", "BET Presents Chris Brown" and "Exclusive: The Forever Edition Bonus DVD" need one? Granted "Chris Brown's Journey" and "Exclusive: The Forever Edition Bonus DVD" are basically section redirects but "BET Presents Chris Brown" is its own actual article, I hate to sound uncivil but consistency please. Also on the Music videos I'm a bit confused as to what The directors column is meant to be sorting by. Afro  ( Talk ) 23:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I removed the refs for all the ones that redirect to sections or have articles of their own. I'm also confused as to what you mean with the videos. I guess just to sort the names, if that is what you are asking. This was modeled after FL's that have been converted to the new style. Candy  o32  23:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll give you an idea just to clarify what I'm asking. Sorting Up, Bryan Barber, Chris Brown, Chris Robinson, Jim Jones, Kevin Custer and James Franck, R. Malcolm Jones, Joseph Kahn, Alex Nazari, Chris Robinson. Am I clear in my point that it sorts weirdly? Afro  ( Talk ) 00:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what you mean now. I have no idea as to why it is sorting this way. Candy  o32  00:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well until its sorted I am opposed to the articles promotion. Afro  ( Talk ) 00:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I sorted the names and missed one. It's fixed now. Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be better if the names were in alphabetical order in the cells, maybe that'd be less confusing for me. Afro  ( Talk ) 03:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll the reason they are not alphabetical because on singles with numerous performers, the main performer is listed first, and how it is credited. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  01:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Afro, people are sorted by their surname, except where they have stage names. Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Understandable Candy. Support I have no issues with the article. Afro  ( Nice Beaver ) 16:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose I'm sorry Candy, I came here to comment on the discography, but in seriousness I cannot support this at present. I see some persistent issues with the discography, issues which I had pointed out in the Ciara discography nomination which you submitted. Might I say that there is a pattern to it? Here are some of it for instance.
 * The first line in the lead doesnot include the mixtape, promo singles or the music video count, as well as the infobox.
 * Internationally, the single either charted at the top, or inside the top ten, of several charts -> extremely vague
 * I originally had "worldwide top-ten" as I did in the Ciara discog, but a user in the first review was against it.


 *  "Dreamer", a single for the AT&T Team USA Soundtrack reached the top twenty in the US. --> missing comma after soundtrack.
 * Done


 * In 2009, Brown's fourth album, Graffiti --> Graffiti is the third studio album.
 * Done


 * multiple international countries.  --> doesnot mean anything
 * I don't understand what you mean by "doesnot mean anything", but, I originally had "international top-ten", like in the Ciara discog, but a user in the first review was against it


 * which peaked within the top twenty of several countries --> No it didn't. Either source this or leave this.
 * Well it is sourced in the tables, I thought that would cover it. Anyway I did have "top-twenty hit" or something like that as in the Ciara discog, but a user in the last review was against it.


 * Correct the title of "Yeah 3x" to "Yeah 3×".
 * The proper title is "Yeah 3X" as it is on the digital download and on the official single cover.


 * There is no mention of the release of the DVDs or the mixtapes. Are they non-notable?
 * Not really notable as they never charted, and I didn't want to lead to be so excessive. Do you think they warrant inclusion?


 * The music video section needs a thorough run down for merging the cells, removing overlink from them, artist names etc.
 * Cells can't be merged because it is a sortable table and I was told sorting tables are an exception to overlink.


 * Usage of en-dash is non-existent in the reference titles.
 * I still get confused about en-dash.


 * Please avoid using abbreviations like ARIA, CRIA etc.
 * Done


 * Check online sources and their italicizations
 * Done


 * Reference 32, for Canadian Hot 100, is screwed up. Please correct.
 * Done


 * Some references miss accessdate.
 * Can we not have the discogs link in EL, and add something from Rollingstone or Allmusic please?
 * Done


 * The chart providers being used. Shouldn't you have a consistency across the page? Why the sudden use of the Rap chart?
 * I thought it would be better to use charts that his featured singles have appeared in rather than a list of dashes all the way down of where the songs haven't charted. Candy  o32  00:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Overall I feel that the lack of consistency is the major issue with the article. Feel free to ping me with clarifications you need, and not a talkback please. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, please check the internal link rot and the dab links pointed out by the bot in the talk page. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good now. It says #52 redirects but it does not. Candy  o32  08:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

It has improved but my major concern is with the peaks of Bubbling under. They are completely and utterly wrong. A peak of 22 on the Bubbling chart doesnot correspond to a peak of 122 for the hot 100. They are not even comparable. There was a strong discussion regarding this at Talk:Lady Gaga discography and such additions of BU peaks were removed. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Would it be sufficient if I removed the positions but leave corresponding notes to the peaks. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  15:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think thats a reasonable amendment, and please do so, otherwise I support this disc. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You have rowspan years in, say, Album appearances table but not in Music videos. I don't understand the difference.  Is it simply to keep the Music videos table sortable?
 * I suppose. I modeled it after FL's that had been converted to the new style.
 * Well I'd prefer a consistent approach, either way. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing changed yet? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm at a bit of a crossroads here now because I used the sortable because all the FL's now converted to the new style made usage of sortable tables, including Fantasia Barrino discography, which was promoted after the new style was implemented. I believe sortable is used because of the different directors, and multiple artists, but I am not sure. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  19:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Would like to hear from DISCOGS as to why video releases table should be sortable while the other tables shouldn't. Cheers.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You cannot sort the singles and albums tables cleanly, but you can with videos. I think it is an editor's choice whether to use sortability or rowspan on videos. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess there is no formal decision about it. It's quite practical. The contents of this table is different from the other tables. And it is handy to be able to sort the content by director or artist. Dodoïste (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Have all reviewers been asked to revisit? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I notified Legolas a few days ago, now I am notifying other two reviewers. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  01:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Support: I really don't understand the big fuss over the article. It reads well, the peaks look fine and referenced. Heck, I'm supporting!--AlastorMoody (talk) 16:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick comments –
 * Missing "on" in "peaked at number one the Billboard Hot 100".
 * Done


 * In the third paragraph, commas should be added after Kevin McCall and F.A.M.E. Minor point, but it would improve the flow of the sentences for readers a little.
 * Done


 * What makes http://acharts.us/ (references 21, 22 and 34) a reliable source?
 * Due to Billboard glitches, those peaks will not show up on the site and from WP:BADCHARTS, acharts.us can be used as an alternate source.
 * Since I don't know that much about the kind of sites these lists use, I'm leaving this one unstruck in case the regular reviewers in this genre have anything to add.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 16:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the reason it was added was because it wasn't included in the Billboard reference, and a reviewer above told me to use acharts. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  17:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Reference 13 lacks a publisher.
 * Done


 * Period needed after the link in reference 30, for consistency with the other citations.
 * Done
 * Would you mind checking the formatting of this reference? It's showing up in the article. Looks like the closing brackets were accidentally removed.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 16:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, it wasn't closed then, but it should be fixed now.


 * Another minor point, but reference 33 could use an indication that the link is in PDF format. The format= parameter of the cite templates works well for this.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done! Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  14:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment : The only thing i find annoying is having three references in one box. They should be merged like so to avoid overlapping and clutter. Once this is done throughout the article i will gladly support if i fail to find any other issues. To be more clear on what i mean, under Chris_Brown_discography US section, you have three references, they should be merged into one with proper titles and explanations. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 23:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I attempted to do such, but I have a problem in that some of the refs are named. So I tried to combine, and name the ref as a whole, but then it kept showing up as an error. Candy  o32  - Merry CHRISTmas :)  17:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


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