Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Ciara discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 15:10, 13 August 2010.

Ciara discography

 * ''Nominator(s): Candy  o32  14:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In transforming the discog from this to this, I now believe that the article satisfies MOS:DISCOG, and is up to par with other FL's. Everything is understandable and comprehensive, doing justice to the representation of Ciara, as well as removing unnecessary fancruft and other unneeded information. Candy o32  14:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 18:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * comment, ugh! Amazon has confirmed the suspected, Basic Instinct has indeed been pushed back to October 5 (see here). You might wish to update the lead and album tables ;( --Lil-unique1 (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * :( Poor Basic Instinct. ugh, I'll make the fixes to the lead & tables. Candy  o32  14:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I've just noticed that column widths for the charts should be formatted using !style="width:3em;font-size:75%;"| rather than style=width="30"| as this automatically allows one's web browser to automatically adjust column widths to match the screen resolution. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Support- All my issues have been addressed, i fully support this article now. Great work Candyo32 :) (CK)Lakeshade ✽ talk2me  02:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support WereWolf (talk) 23:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Pancake (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - some basic issues...
 * And singles is inconsistent in the infobox... if this is entirely the discog, shouldn't the infobox reflect the list?
 * not done Per other FL's all singles are stated in the lead, but only solo are in the infobox.
 * Not sure (a) this is true or (b) if this should be the way it is anyway, very misleading. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I'm just going by other FL discographies. Although they are singles they aren't her solo singles.
 * Repeat - shouldn't the infobox be consistent with the lead? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Bursting onto the scene in 2004 hailed " reads like a tabloid.
 * Somewhat done, while I'll change "bursting onto the scene" to debuting, as The Princess of Crunk&B is an American music honorific title, hailed can be used.
 * The reword is better but "hailed" is still very odd here. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Link certified appropriately.
 * Link certified to a relevant article which talks about record certification. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Link certified to a relevant article which talks about record certification. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "top five" hyphenate.
 * top-five. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * top-five. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "US top five hits and international performers "Lose Control", " I don't get this, what do you "international performers"?
 * The song's performed in international markets?
 * Unclear, should be reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "which saw her remain consistent to her urban roots, and R&B and hip-hop driven dance while experimenting with old school songs combined with huge pop hooks" urban roots, experimenting with old school, huge pop... this isn't a review of her work, it's an encyclopedia, this needs toning down and neutralising.
 * not done I'm just taking excerpts of what critics have said and its no way to say it other wise. While using old school music she incorporated pop hooks and used R&B and hip-hop dance music? Candy  o32  03:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If critics say this directly, fine, quote them and reference the quotation, otherwise use less tabloid language. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So it's supposed to read "R&B" and "hip-hop" "dance" while using "old school" sounds and "huge pop hooks." ? Candy  o32  01:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, of course not, R&B, hip-hop and dance are statements of fact, "old school" however is colloquial and subjective and "huge pop hooks" is opinion. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ""Just Stand Up!."" avoid the repeated full stop.
 * not done Not understanding the problem.
 * Don't need a . after a ! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

That's the lead. I'll review the rest once this lot is resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose It looks like a lot of work is needed to achieve consistency in the article, in terms of references, prose, content etc. I will outline a few.
 * Lead — In the first line, released since 2004 seems undue. The second paragraph is the one which should have followed the lead sentence. And all the extra info regarding the sales stuff comes at the last. This is a discography, not a sales estimate. You should put her music to the front instead of commercial reception.


 * Lead — I see you have five paragraphs in the lead, try to reduce it to four paras per WP:LEAD.


 * As well as a vocalist, Ciara is known for being an accomplished dancer, garnering comparisons to Janet Jackson and Aaliyah,[3] as well as being dubbed the female counterpart of Chris Brown.[4] She is also noted for her whispery soprano vocal style, also compared to Jackson. — Seriously, what is the need of these sentences in an article about discography? It talks about Ciara as a musician, and her styles and accomplishments. This is more suited for the biography page, rather here.


 * Debuting in 2004, hailed with the honorific title, "The Princess or First Lady of Crunk&B,"[3][6][7][8] her debut album,  — consecutive usage of debut makes for an unprofessional writing. Better would be to have the honorific claim later when you talk about the reception of Goodies.


 * Ciara also participated in her most successful collaborations  — Refrain from using PEACOCKY words liek most success, you can simply reitereate it as "Ciara also participated in a number of successful collaborations, including... [names]"


 * Having the similar success that Goodies had, Ciara: The Evolution debuted at number one on the Billboard — on the Billboard what?


 * and charting in the top thirty of most international markets, reaching Platinum status in the US,[10] and selling around two million copies worldwide.[1][3] — I find it very difficult to navigate through such sentences. You begin with a Billboard charting, then move to international charting, then come back to US certification, then move back to worldwide sales. Its haphazard and out of tune.


 * Top twenty US and moderate international performer "Like a Boy" was also released — Gives the impression as if "Like a Boy" was a top twenty US success and then it was released.


 * Three years after the second release, Ciara released her third album, Fantasy Ride, while remaining with her trademark R&B and hip-hop sound, the work also went towards a mainstream pop and dance direction, as well as using with soul influences. — Please chop the sentence.


 * lacking certifications, — is not an indication that an album is unsuccessful commercially. Eminem's Relapse has sold 2 million copies per Soundscan, but remains uncertified. Would you call it a disappointment in this market era?


 * Although the album was a commercial disappointment compared ot her previous releases — You just said it in the previous line.


 * It will be preceded by the single "Ride" featuring Ludacris — "Ride" has already been released.


 * Fantasy Ride: The Mini Collection — Its unsourced completely.


 * Singles — Ciara is an American artist, so US certifications comes above any other market, just as US charts are present in the beginning of the table.


 * Any reason why you are using Recording Industry Association of New Zealand for the New Zealand albums, and the redirect RIANZ for the NZ singles?


 * "And I" column formatting please check.


 * You don't need to link the labums again, as they are linked in the section above.


 * Why is "—" denotes a title that did not chart, or was not released in that territory not included in the other tables, and only in singles?


 * Writing and production credits — Unnecessary section. As I said before, this is a discogrpahy, not a songography that you need to list everything Ciara has done, even writing a line or two for obscure artists.


 * The certification for Goodies: The Videos & More really doesnot take me anywhere.


 * References — You don't need to have well known publishers in references, like The New York Times Company, Pitchfork Media, Inc, Amazon.com, Inc., RIAA, etc.


 * there is no consistency in the reference formatting. Sometimes Allmusic appear as online source, sometimes as a published source as Allmusic. Sometimes it has Rovi Corporation as its publisher, sometimes not. Thats just one example.


 * Aria.com.au is not the publisher of Australian certifications, its Australian Recording Industry Association. Aria.com.au is just their website.


 * Reference 30 and 31, both are same, then why have you added it as two different interpretations?


 * For German charts you have wrong title. Discography there is called Chartverfolgong.


 * A number of online sources are italicized, and vice-versa.

These are the things I could find at a first glance. This discography still needs tremendous work. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


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