Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Ciara discography/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:29, 28 October 2010.

Ciara discography

 * Nominator(s): Candy  o32  22:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

In transforming the discog from this to this, I now believe that the article satisfies the discography MoS, and is up to par with other FL's. Everything is understandable and comprehensive, doing justice to the representation of Ciara, as well as removing unnecessary fancruft and other unneeded information. Additionally I have cleared up all errors with the discography from the previous nomination. Candy o32  22:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support


 * POV problems are better now. I wouldn't hold this article out as a paradigm of NPOV, but so very few actually are. Courcelles 01:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As someone who supported the article in its previous nomination I question Courcelles, are you not being too harsh here? I've looked through and I don't support claims that this article is written POV/Promotionally. Lots of GA and FL articles use words like smash for number-ones, hit for top-tens, moderately/reasonable for top-twenty/thirty etc. For example you appear to be harsh with the terminology of "not released in that territory" yet it is acceptable in other FLs. At the end of the day countries are territories. reference 64 is Rap-Up.com is the website of a known and recognisable published magazine about R&B/Hip Hop music not a blog as asserted by Courcelles. To assert that it is not notable without an reasonable opposing argument is verging on questionable. Whilst I respect Courcelles opinions it feels like they are too picky and based on personal preference rather than genuine hinderances to FL status. I'm not trying to fall out with you Courcelles but I would ask you to look at the discography again and consider whether those 'issues' above are actually issues. --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  20:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment While I haven't gotten to closely inspecting the article, I would like to support Uniques statement. Rap-Up is a reliable and industry related source. It is used for many things, from release dates, sales and news. It is reliable and useable for FA,FL or any such article.-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   09:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. My issues have been clarified. Consensus at the discography wikiproject shows that other charted songs and other appearances are acceptable. However, they shouldn't be a level-3 header under the main singles section, and this still should be addressed. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, with a level 3 header for other charted songs. Candy  o32  13:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually forgot to address the "to be released" issue but no, I don't think it would give off the impression, especially since the album details should explain that it has yet to see a release. "To be released" covering the peaks implies that it will chart which is a major no-no per WP:CRYSTAL. – Chase  ( talk ) 03:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Good work. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I see there has been a dispute with the reliability of Video static. Now, im not very familiar with how we determine if a source is reliable or not. I chose to include it and thought it was reliable because its written by "Steven J Gottlieb" who is the former Senior Editor of music video trade magazine CVC Report (published from 1983 through 2004). Considering he is an author in his field i thought it would be appropriate to include the website. Please share your thoughts on this here as im watching your page. Talk to you soon :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 21:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Is this Reliable? :
 * Is the author a considered a subject expert in his field?
 * Yes "Steven J Gottlieb" is an author for his field. He was the Senior Editor of music video trade magazine CVC Report (published from 1983 through 2004).
 * Has the website/publication been cited by other reliable sources?
 * I dont know if wikipedia counts but i know consensus doesnt always have to be discussed, instead it because a general use, this is the case here, more and more articles are using this source.
 * Does the website/publication cite its sources and undergo a rigorous fact-checking process (or both)?
 * From what ive seen, yes it does, actually this website generally gets the director information first, then other websites seem to follow. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 22:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - Ref 18, 20, 29 isn't english.  Afro  ( Say Something Funny ) - Afkatk 11:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In the past that hasn't been a problem, so why is it now? It's not like you can retrieve them in any other reliable source since they are the official Musicline and Oricon sites. Candy  o32  11:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying its a problem they aren't english but it should be stated like the other references. Afro  ( Talk ) 11:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note the manual of style for discographies has been changed since the time of nomination and unfortunately I can no longer support this discography until it is converted to the new format given at WP:DISCOGSTYLE. This in turn is updated for the new WP:ACCESS part of WP:MOS --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  18:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Retracted comments for now... its fairer since I would like to see a mass change that I making notes on the featured list talk page instead. Sorry for the disruption caused. --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  22:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment You know I find it funny how you put "Fail" for my article, something that would severely hinder it, versus putting a "Note" like you did here. I don't know, that doesn't look too fair if you ask me, but whatever, just saying.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   09:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok good. I also asked Dabomb87 about it and he said since the nomination was prior to the conversion that it will be compared to the criteria at the time, and then will have the time to convert to the new format, and that it would not affect the current nomination. Candy  o32  23:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You need some consistency with the Abbreviations for Chart positions, you kinda jump from 3 letters to 2 letters and IRE to IRL. Afro  ( Talk ) 04:50, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the abbreviation consistency as well as the language concern. Candy  o32  07:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still are using IRE and IRL for Ireland, both have the same link so I assume they should be the same abbreviation. Afro  ( Talk ) 10:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * oops that should be fixed now. Candy  o32  12:15, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still IRL in "as featured artist", also not sure on the policy but does About.com fit WP:RS. Afro  ( Talk ) 13:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok should be fixed now, and About.com is reliable used in almost every album and single GA and FA, and is published by the New York Times Company. Candy  o32  21:08, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support After a slight edit with a ref, I think theres no major problems with this list, I Support the promotion. Afro  ( Talk ) 22:21, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support The article isn't perfect, but there aren't any large issues which would stop me from promoting this list. Good work!-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   03:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Looks pretty good. Nice job!--AlastorMoody (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Several supporters still have not addressed the NPOV language issues that Courcelles raised. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Support : i have made the corrections asked by Courcelles so i now support this article. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 20:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


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