Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Desperate Housewives (season 1)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 19:13, 21 September 2009.

Desperate Housewives (season 1)

 * Nominator(s): (SUDUSER)85 14:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked and improved on this article for the past month using my sandbox, then tranferring it to the actual page. I saw it had great potential to become an FL so I did some sprucing up, and added some sources. I think it looks FL worthy now. Please tell me how you feel about the article, thank you! (SUDUSER)85 14:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) *done fixed all dab links (SUDUSER)85 07:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) The Caption of the infobox image should have a little more details.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) * done (SUDUSER)85 15:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **This should more be saying "Promotional poster for the season's premiere". The image should also have an Alternative text.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I added citation needed templates, replace those with references.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) *done However, I can't really find one regarding the special episode. Is that ok? (SUDUSER)85 14:39, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All cite needed tags filled. (SUDUSER)85 03:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Expand the first paragraph with a little more about the general plot of the season.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) * not done I will work on it tomorrow. (SUDUSER)85 15:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * done I have done some expansion there, how does it look to you? (SUDUSER)85 07:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's good.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) The Production section is mainly about the Crew so I suggest retitling it as such or expanding it to include information about how the season was produced.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *done Section retitled. (SUDUSER)85 02:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't there any info available about the production?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The second paragraph of Cast is merely a list of the supporting characters. I suggest reducing those to be about only the most notable ones and expanding their information.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *done I have expanded the descriptions on the most prominent supporting characters on the season. (SUDUSER)85 15:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) "winning its timeslot of 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time / 8:00pm Central." why winning? didn't it premier at 9:00 PM?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) *done changed to "ranking as first in its timeslot of 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time / 8:00pm Central." (SUDUSER)85 15:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) In "DVD release" add the references for the Release date of every Country next to its name instead of putting them all next to Release dates.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) *done (SUDUSER)85 07:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Is there any info regarding how well the DVDs performed, how many sold and so on?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) * I couldn't find anything regarding DVD sales, I have searched Variety, TV Guide and The Futon Critic yet I could not find anything. Do you have any suggestions? (SUDUSER)85 07:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) **No problems then.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Under "Awards" I suggest adding a see also link to List of awards and nominations received by Desperate Housewives.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) *done Linked (SUDUSER)85 07:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) What's the general reference used for the episodes air dates, director and writer?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) *done cited. (SUDUSER)85 14:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) General production information should be there like where the season was shot, a little about how the pilot succeeded and made the season and so on.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) *done A very small section but see how it is and tell me how you feel. (SUDUSER)85 15:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Well, I find this to be the main issue actually: Regarding the Episodes summaries, please expand their summaries since their very short and unclear. For example the first episode is more about introducing each character's lives and problems. Trying to find out how she died isn't the main issue of every episode but mostly they find out accidentally about everything.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 08:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) * I'm working on them right now. (SUDUSER)85 05:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * done They're finally done. Each summary is at least three or four lines long. see for yourself. (SUDUSER)85 07:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Support--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 11:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Image comments
 * File:Desperate Housewives season 1 poster.jpg; resolution is above .1 megapixels, but not significantly so. The rationale could use some beefing up; how does the image aid reader understanding (providing easy reference to the form the work was marketed as, et al.) Also, the raw img link spits me a 403. You need to find the page it's used on and use that as the source URL instead.
 * done I reduced the image size and improved the rationale. I also found a working link. Please check it for yourself. (SUDUSER)85 16:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think File:Housewives season 1 cast.jpg's rationale sticks. The appearance of the characters is not markedly different from their (free image replaceable) real life appearances; there's only a line of critical commentary relating to their appearances. Furthermore the most important characters are shown on the season 1 poster. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So do you suggest it be removed from the page? Then it will be orphaned. (SUDUSER)85 16:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm saying I don't see how it would meet FLC image criteria. If it's orphaned an admin will delete it. -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * done It's been taken out of the page. (SUDUSER)85 05:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 *  Oppose  on image and prose concerns. Per David Fuchs above, the rationales aren't strong and we don't need two images to depict largely the same thing. Writing needs a tuneup; at random, "Season one was nominated for a total of fifteen Primetime Emmy Awards. Six of the fifteen nominations were won" is clunky and repetitive, "Gabrielle bribes a little girl to keep quiet after catching her and John 'in the act'." is too colloqial. The summary length of the first episode is much longer than that of the other one. Personally, I think the other summaries should be expanded, as right now they don't flow at all; all I see is a series of events. MOS breaches too: "Carlos is arrested, claiming he was 'set-up'. " Use double quotes not single; "as first in its timeslot of 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time / 8:00pm Central" Spaces between the time and am/pm; publications are italicized (e.g. USA Today) I recommend withdrawing and submitting for a peer review. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  partially done I have taken care of the MOS breaches, though i am still rewriting episode summaries . As for the image concerns, see my responses for David Fuchs' comments above. Also per your suggestion, I did not want to send it for a PR because I felt that it would take alot of time. (SUDUSER)85 17:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * All the summaries have been rewritten (SUDUSER)85 07:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll look at the list in detail sometime later this week. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Stay tuned.-- Will C  04:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments by Wrestlinglover
 * Support: pass critieria in my eyes.-- Will C  09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I got busy and forgot all about this review. I don't think I will have the time, or the will to review this today or tomorrow. So sorry I placed this here.-- Will C  09:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I found some time to review down to the reception section. Will finish later if I find somemore.-- Will C  09:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes addressed with comments by (SUDUSER)85 13:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Desperate Housewives season 1 poster.jpg is the promotional poster. Why use this instead of an image of the boxset?-- Will C  09:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the promotional poster was the original image in the article, and after looking at articles such as Lost (season 1) and The O.C. (season 2), I thought using a poster would be okay?
 * Was wondering, the South Park articles have the boxset.-- Will C  09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Marc Cherry wrote the script for the Housewives pilot and his agent appealed it to six networks; CBS, NBC, Fox, HBO, Showtime and Lifetime, only to have all of them turn it down." → "Marc Cherry wrote the script for the Housewives pilot and his agent appealed it to six networks (CBS, NBC, Fox, HBO, Showtime, and Lifetime); however, only to have all of them turn it down." Sounds better imo.
 * done fixed
 * Okay.-- Will C  09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "In the initial season, 13 roles received star billing." Makes no sense to me. What? From what I gather from the section, move it to the end of the paragraph and change it to (rough draft) "Overall, there are 13 main starring roles in season one.".-- Will C  09:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done Might I suggest "The first season features a cast of thirteen actors who receive star billing."?
 * That will work.-- Will C  09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Eva Longoria Parker starred as Gabrielle Solis, the materialistic ex–fashion model who cheats on her husband" Wasn't a Parker at the time of the season, make that noted. Like "Eva Longoria (now Eva Longoria Parker) starred as Gabrielle Solis," or any way that may be better.-- Will C  09:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done changed it per your suggestion.
 * Okay, good.-- Will C  09:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I read a few episode summaries in full, and am happy to assume that the rest are of a similar quality. I gave the whole thing a quick check for formatting, spellings and ndashes and only made a few minor changes. Anyway the list now looks in excellent shape and I am happy to lend my support. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  14:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well thank you for your contributions and I'm glad that you like the list! (SUDUSER)85 02:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment What makes http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/backlot/street_colonial.shtml a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done You are right, its not affiliated with Universal Studios at all. I have already removed and replaced the source. (SUDUSER)85 03:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The images still need alt text per WP:ALT. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you tell me which images need them and give me an example on how to write it? (SUDUSER)85 05:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done I have filled the images with alt text, you can use this to check it. (SUDUSER)85 11:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The alt text for the infobox is excellent. The map alt text needs work; I've asked to help you out. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Is there anything regarding the prose that you would like address? (SUDUSER)85 13:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done; thanks. Yes, the map text needs work. It currently says "as described by the text" but I don't see any description in nearby text of where the characters' houses are located. Instead, the alt text should say that Wisteria Lane is a cul de sac, and list the houses in order. If the house numbers are important they should also be listed. The idea is to convey the gist of the map to the reader; please see WP:ALT. Eubulides (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done I've edited the alt text and made it a bit more descriptive. Use the alt viewer to see how it looks. (SUDUSER)85 07:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it looks good. Eubulides (talk) 04:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Support I think the summaries might benefit from a final copy-edit for polish (I made a few), but overall this list meets featured quality. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate that. (SUDUSER)85 04:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.