Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Elmore James discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC).

Elmore James discography

 * Nominator(s): Ojorojo (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is an informative discography of one of the most important blues musicians of the mid-twentieth century. Several of Elmore James' recordings are regarded as blues classics and his influence continues to be heard in contemporary blues as well as rock. His discography covers all of his known released recordings and is extensively referenced with many inline citations and goes beyond WP:DISCOGSTYLE and most FL discographies.

Since its creation in November 2013, it has been stable with no tendentious editing, vandalism, edit wars, etc. Recently, I have checked all the citations and have updated the reference and table formats. The lead has been rewritten and referenced. I look forward to constructive comments/suggestions to make this a FL. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comments from jimknut


 * Added. Thanks for your input. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Support — Looks good. Jimknut (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comments from Dan arndt

Support all my comments have been addressed. Good luck with the nomination. Dan arndt (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comments by FrB.TG
 * Why is the number of compilation albums 8+ and not simply 8?
 * As noted in the "Selected compilation albums" section, there are numerous James compilations (well over 100, most of which are out of print). I've included the eight most notable, based on a RS. Does this need clarification? —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought so. Probably add a footnote, adding that eight of his compilation albums are included in the list? FrB.TG (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Added explanatory footnote. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Tables do not meet WP:ACCESS for row and col scopes (see MOS:DTT).
 * Added markup. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Is no image available on him?
 * Almost all James photos come from two sources: Jacques Demetre and George Adins. I haven't been able to determine that these or any others are in the public domain. The image in the Elmore James article is used under a "no free equivalent" claim (WP:FREER).  Use in a discography would not meet the "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all?" criterion. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As label is sortable, link all the entries under it or make it unsortable.
 * Linked all. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Why are labels not linked under references?
 * Linked. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Consider optionally reviewing a nomination of mine. FrB.TG (talk) 09:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Support — FrB.TG (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Source review - passed


 * Spotchecks: Checked 1, 15, 23 - clean
 * Formatting: The "1980 Hall of Fame Inductees: Elmore James" source link does not work for me; it looks like you were logged in to a site and did a search? Other than that it looks fine, though I note that "Whitburn 1998, pp. 19–461" is basically "the entire book", so if there's any way to make that more precise that'd be great.
 * The Blues Hall of Fame changes the links from time to time. I replaced it with a different source.  I removed the Whitburn cite because the only entry in the column already has a cite. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If the link keeps changing, consider archiving it with web.archive.org or webcitation.org so that you can get a static record. -- Pres N  15:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Sourcing: Not clear on how globaldogproductions.info or wangdangdula.com are RSs. Also, not sure such a source even exists, but I am a little concerned that the only "list of all Elmore James singles/albums" sources used are album liner notes; it just raises questions of whether you're missing a minor single or album and don't know it, though I guess that's me being pretty nitpicky. I wouldn't oppose over it. -- Pres N  01:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the box set booklets were put together by well-known music researchers/writers and are quite detailed. They were given access to the master tapes, recording logs, etc.  If they couldn't find it, I doubt it can be found.  Discographies at AllMusic and images of releases at Discogs were also used.  Cross-checking the information, I believe that this faithfully represents James' recorded output.  There are over 100 James compilation albums and only the most current and notable are listed.  I only know of one James biography and don't remember that the discography section was that useful (I don't have access to it now).  Short of providing links to images of his singles, I don't think there are unused RS. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Three reviews of box sets by AllMusic confirm that these are comprehensive. Cub Koda writes, "These recordings [on the Capricorn box set] are the ones most commonly issued on James and have surfaced on so many different compilations—all with varying levels of sound quality—that it would be futile to list them all here. Fortunately, to make things easier we have this two-disc 50-song box set rounding up at least one extant take of everything Elmore recorded with Robinson at the helm."  Richie Unterberger noted, "this 71-track compilation [from Virigin/Flair] is the most thorough retrospective of that era likely to be produced. In addition to including songs that were not issued in any form until after his death (and sometimes long after his passing), there are multiple takes of specific tunes, alternates, false starts, studio chatter, ..."  Koda also writes, "Elmore James had recorded a session for Chess in 1953 before settling down with the Bihari Brothers and again in 1960, shortly before starting his final recordings for Bobby Robinson's Fire, Fury and Enjoy labels. This [Chess album] collects up all of them with the bonus addition ..." —Ojorojo (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, satisfied on the comprehensive front. Only remaining concern is if globaldogproductions.info and wangdangdula.com are actually reliable sources; they both appear to be personal blogs. -- Pres N  15:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer not to use these, but think Peter Hoppula (wangdangdula – unfortunate name) is acceptable. His discographies are cited in several publications: The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia notes "Sources: discographical detail from Peter Hoppula's Roy Gaines listing at the excellent www.wangdangdula.com seen online 20 Feb 2006"; and his catalogue listings are included as a footnote in an Enthomusicology PhD dissertation for UCLA; and in Blues: A Regional Experience he is acknowledged under the list "We have also consulted many of the other standard references in the field.  We have made sometimes copious use of works or comments by ... Pete Hoppula".  I also found a Hoppula source to replace globaldog for Enjoy Records.  These sources are used for re-release/reissue information and not James' original catalogue (that has proper RS) – they could all be removed without losing any unique recordings.  Or, as noted above, many of the individual releases could be linked to images, which provide most of the information. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I created an alternative discography by removing all the reissues and the need for the Hoppula source. This is a much better alternative to linking single images. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, if you've removed the globaldog source, I'm convinced on the use of the unfortunately named wangdangdula source. Passing this source review, and since it was the last thing remaining, promoting this list. -- Pres N  19:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


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