Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/First Deputy Premier of the Soviet Union/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:38, 18 April 2011.

First Deputy Premier of the Soviet Union

 * Nominator(s): TIAYN (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel this list meets the FL-criteria. This will probably be my last list of Soviet leaders, of course, this is just a "probably". Anyhow, thanks for using your spare time reviewing this article. TIAYN (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments


 * Done Don't like "0 years" in the table.
 * I can remove them, but I don't see the problem. 0 years is included in the Minister of Transport and Communications (Norway) which is a FL.
 * What is or isn't in another FL isn't really that relevant. I think "0 years" is unnecessary. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Done Please add alt text to the images.
 * Done I think this table may be a nightmare for screen-reading navigation, suggest you ask User:RexxS for some input here.
 * I don't see the problem, It's the same table as used in the List of Premiers of the Soviet Union article..... --TIAYN (talk) 21:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like RexxS (or someone else from the WP:ACCESS project to confirm that the table is suitable. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have asked him but he hasn't responded yet. --TIAYN (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * He has retired...... so what should I do now? --TIAYN (talk) 13:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The rumours of my retirement have been somewhat exaggerated. I'm back from my wikibreak and I can confirm that the table (as it stands today) would be readable by many screen readers, although it really could do with some tidying. If you remember that a screen reader will find a 'row header' and a 'column header' for every data cell (so that it can announce them if required), then you can start to improve your markup or table structure to take account of that. To take an example, the cell containing "Minister of Internal Affairs" ought to have "Other offices held while first deputy" as its column header, and "Lavrentiy Beria" as its row header. It's good that "Lavrentiy Beria" is properly marked up with the row scope. Unfortunately there is another header - "First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers (1946–1990)" - between the data cell and the column header we want. It is quite possible that some screen readers may decide wrongly to use "First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers (1946–1990)" as the column header instead of "Other offices held while first deputy". As usual, I would prefer to see the table reformatted to ensure that the subheadings couldn't be confused with the main column headings, and I'd personally prefer the table without the first column of numbers, but I can see how the present structure may be preferred purely from a visual point-of-view. Although the table is not optimal for accessibility, I would have to weigh the impact of greater compliance on the visual presentation. I'd have to conclude that the table is sufficiently compliant with MOS:ACCESS that I couldn't oppose its promotion to FL on those grounds.
 * From a maintenance point of view, I'd recommend getting rid of all of the rowspan="1" since they do nothing but clutter the text. Of course, that has no bearing on the quality of the list and I'd hope to see it promoted as soon as the remaining issues are resolved. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 23:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So therefore I'd like to remind the other FL directors that I do not object to this list being promoted. And I am, as ever, grateful to RexxS for swinging back by to give us some great advice.  The Rambling Man (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support I could not find anything against the criteria. No nitpicks as well.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments:


 * Done Is the break 1935–1941 explained in the lead?
 * ... no one was elected to the post. Is the reason for that known? bamse (talk) 11:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. I don't know, and I haven't found any information regarding it. However, It may have something to do with Stalin's leadership-style, e.g. giving as much power to himself as possible. --TIAYN (talk) 12:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. If there are no references, we can't do much about it. I just leave it outside of "resolved comments" in case another referee knows of a reference. bamse (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Think I've found the answer; there were only three Deputies of the Soviet Union (in the immediate post-war years there were 7) between 1935–1941 who held the post simontanously meaning that there was no point in appointing a deputy to the post of first deputy. --TIAYN (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Possible, but as far as I can see, there were not a whole lot of deputies in 1934/35 either. Anyway, unless there is a source discussing this break, any guess concerning the reason cannot be used in this article. bamse (talk) 17:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Support, still hoping for somebody to dig up a reference that discusses the 1935 break. bamse (talk) 12:32, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Done "and in the case of the Premiers absence...". "Premiers" → "Premier's".
 * Done At the end of the sentence with the last commented-on part, there's a space between the citation and accompanying page number. I'd remove it, since the other page numbers come with no spaces.
 * Done Comma needed after Dmitry Polyansky.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 00:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Support Comments  from
 * Done Link "plenum"?
 * Done "tenurships" I think that's a misspelling.
 * What make the following sites reliable (sorry if some of these are obvious, I'm not a Russian speaker):
 * http://www.portrets.ru/5.44.html
 * http://www.pseudology.org/Italy/Poliansky.htm
 * http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=9089 Dabomb87 (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Explanation All three sites are written by a professional staff who backs up their claims by listing references at the bottom of the their articles. One example, on the pseuduology.org article they list the 3rd edition of The Great Soviet Encycloapedia as one of their sources. The two other links also use sources. --TIAYN (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll leave these unstruck in case someone else wants to discuss the sources, but I'll AGF here and accept that they're as trustworthy as you say they are. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 16:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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