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Frances McDormand on screen and stage

 * Nominator(s): Cowlibob (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Frances McDormand is one of the greatest actors of her generation. Here's a list of her roles, as always I am open to constructive criticism on how to improve it. Cowlibob (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Maile66
— Maile (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Scope Columns - The scope="col" is picked up by screen readers, and should be the film titles, not the years.
 * Image - This is one of only two images of McDormand on Commons, where it's credited to McDormand as the source, but uploaded on Flicker by someone else. Cropped and up close in the article, it's somewhat blurred and looks like it might be a screen shot from someone's device.  If she is otherwise FL worthy, seems there ought to be clearer and better images out there.
 * I've fixed the scoping. As you've said there are only two images of McDormand that are free to use on Commons. I had a look on Flickr and Google and it was the same scenario (with the caveat that I'm not well-versed at searching for CC images). I wanted to have a different image to the main article (the image there is unfortunately the clearer of the two). Cowlibob (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support — Maile (talk) 01:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments from ChrisTheDude

 * Comments
 * "her performance as an overprotective mother in Cameron Crowe-directed comedy-drama" => "her performance as an overprotective mother in the Cameron Crowe-directed comedy-drama"
 * "She starred in drama North Country and science fiction action film Æon Flux with Charlize Theron" - she starred with Theron in both?
 * The relatively obscure word "garnered" is used quite a lot. Maybe change the usage at the start of the last paragraph to simply "McDormand won...."
 * "playing a mother striving for justice for the unsolved murder of her daughter in Martin McDonagh-directed crime drama" => "playing a mother striving for justice for the unsolved murder of her daughter in the Martin McDonagh-directed crime drama"
 * That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the above. Cowlibob (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments from TRM
The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * " Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress " is overlinked in the lead.
 * Would it be ok to describe Hill Street Blues as a "police procedural drama"?
 * Ref 3, it should be the title of the article linked, not the Guardian itself.
 * "She starred with Charlize..." "McDormand starred with..."
 * "n Chloe Zhao's" diacritic.
 * Why is her second theatre performance noted in the lead, and not the first one?
 * Also interested as to why her first TV performance isn't noted in the lead.
 * Show end dates aren't shown in ref 61, e.g. An Oak Tree (interestingly shown as an oak tree) has a start date (4 Nov 2006) but no end date shown. And it's also tagged with REPLACEMENT, is that notable?
 * Be consistent with linking of source names.
 * Thanks for your comments. I have fixed most of above. Linked refs at first occurrence. An Oak Tree is in lower caps stylistically per [] and a different actor plays Father each performance. I couldn't find an exact date when McDormand appeared but did find a ref that suggested that it was in late November 2006 []. I didn't mention her first theatre performance as she was just an understudy. Cowlibob (talk) 17:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Comments by Z1720

 * "who made her film debut in the Coen brothers' neo-noir Blood Simple (1984).[1] She also made her Broadway debut in the revival Awake and Sing! in the same year." -> "who made her film debut in the Coen brothers' neo-noir Blood Simple in 1948 and Broadway debut in the revival Awake and Sing! the same year." I think this trims the lede a little bit and equalises the film and Broadway roles.
 * "Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her performance as an overprotective mother in the Cameron Crowe-directed comedy-drama Almost Famous (2000)." This sentence is a little long, so I suggest cutting "the Cameron Crowe-directed comedy-drama". Readers can get more information by clicking on the wikilink if they want.
 * "McDormand won her second Best Actress Oscar as well as the BAFTA Award for Best Actress in a Leading Role, and Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role for playing a mother striving for justice for the unsolved murder of her daughter in the Martin McDonagh-directed crime drama Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017)." I think this sentence should be trimmed and slightly rearranged. suggestion: "McDormand won the BAFTA Award for Best Actress in a Leading Role, the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role, and her second Best Actress Oscar for Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2017) in her role as a mother seeking justice in her daughter's murder."
 * Why is "an oak tree" Not capitalised?


 * Image check: pass
 * Source check: Version reviewed - pass
 * Spot check: refs 1 passed
 * Ref 2: "She also made her Broadway debut in the revival Awake and Sing! in the same year." This is not verified in the source. Perhaps place ref 63 here.
 * Ref 2: "In 1985, she made her television debut in the crime drama series Hunter" Ref does not verify that this is McDormand's TV debut.


 * Ref 8: "In the same year, she played a psychiatrist in legal thriller Primal Fear. In 1997," Not verified in the source. Perhaps ref 27 can also be placed here.
 * Ref 10: "and science fiction action film Æon Flux in 2005." The ref doesn't verify this information. Perhaps place ref 38 here?

Those are my thoughts. Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 14:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review. I have fixed the above.Cowlibob (talk) 09:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * One more: Version reviewed, Ref 10: Doesn't verify that McDormand played a mechanic. Z1720 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Added ref.Cowlibob (talk) 16:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support my concerns have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments by Birdienest81

 * Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, titles of TV series and movies should be italicized even in citations.
 * -- Birdienest81 talk  09:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Cowlibob (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support: Good job
 * -- Birdienest81 talk  06:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  19:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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