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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

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George Harrison discography

 * Nominator(s): Tomcat (7) 13:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Following the first premature nomination, I now definitely feel that this discography meets the criteria. Regards. Tomcat (7) 13:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments – an improvement, but there are still some issues.
 * Quantity confusion: I counted 35 singles, not 32.
 * Needs citation: "Harrison's songwriting skills progressed considerably in the last Beatles years."
 * The source at the end of the paragraph supports this sentence.--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Needs citation: "After a meeting with Indian musician Ravi Shankar, Harrison was introduced to the sitar, which was used in such songs as 'Within You Without You' and 'The Inner Light'."
 * The source at the end of the paragraph supports this sentence.--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The source mentions Shankar and the sitar, but does not mention it was used on those two songs. NapHit (talk) 00:03, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Reworded.--Tomcat (7) 12:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Redundancy: "Later he also tested with the slide guitar" – remove "also"; it serves no purpose.
 * Removed--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Diction: "His quiet and reserved appearance led Harrison to his nickname of the 'quiet Beatle'." – appearance as in physical appearance?
 * Not sure what you mean, but reworded anyway--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Awkward wording: "Harrison's wrote such successful and influential tracks as 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps', 'Here Comes the Sun' and 'Something'."
 * Fixed typo--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The typo was fixed, but the sentence still reads awkwardly, mainly because oif the "such ... as" wording. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, now better?--Tomcat (7) 20:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Number formatting: Per WP:MOSNUM, comparable quantities are written consistently as words/numerals. For example, this article has "number 49", written as a figure, but "number-one hit", which is written in words. Be consistent.
 * Numbers higher than "9" are generally to be written out.--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true, but there are exceptions to that rule, and as you said, "generally". But I don't see this as a significant inconsistency in this article particularly, so I've struck my concern. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * POV: "His subsequent albums were moderately successful" – how do you define "moderately successful"? That's quite subjective wording.
 * Accessibility: —' denotes albums that did not chart or were not released." – why is this in small print?
 * Now in normal font size--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Confusion: If the albums/singles were not released, why did they chart in some countries? In fact, if they weren't released, they shouldn't be here. Do you mean they weren't released in a particular region?
 * Clarified--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Instead of "a particular region", I'd say "that region" as it sounds better and clearer. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done--Tomcat (7) 20:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Citations: Be consistent on whether newspaper references have publisher locations or not.
 * Removed--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Citations: In ref 9, International Business Times should plural, linked and italicized.
 * Done--Tomcat (7) 17:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Citations: Why do some references have wikilinks but others do not?
 * Citations: Check for consistency in italicization of web sites. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  16:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Done--Tomcat (7) 17:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Citations: Allmusic or AllMusic? — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Made consistent.--Tomcat (7) 17:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Comments definitely in better shape than last time, still a few issues
 * I also count 35 singles not the stated 32
 * I did not count the two B-sides and the 2000 version of My Sweet Lord. Fixed.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "His quiet and reserved character led to Harrison to his nickname of the "quiet Beatle" -> "His quiet and reserved character resulted in his nickname' the "quiet Beatle"
 * Reworded, but wrote a comma instead of the apostrophe.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * what makes While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Here comes the Sun and Something more influential and successful than his others? You not qualify this in the sentence as its just opinion without a qualifying fact
 * Something, for example, was lauded by Sinatra, and all three appear in Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Singles of All Time. I will clarify that if needed.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ye I would clarify this, then it's clear why you chose those three as opposed to other songs. NapHit (talk) 03:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Done--Tomcat (7) 12:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "His subsequent albums were moderately successful" How do you define moderately successful? Probably better to say there were not as successful as All Things Must
 * Ok, clarified.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * having The Concert of Bangladesh in full twice in one sentence is not ideal, I would rewrite it slightly
 * Reworded--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "Harrison had a run of six singles between 1981 and 1986 that did not chart" needs a reference
 * Clarified--Tomcat (7) 19:30, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * not been clarified at all. This is sentence could be contested, it needs a reference proving the singles were unsuccessful. NapHit (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The tables indicates they charted poorly. --Tomcat (7) 20:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think the bit about the Travelling Wilbury's is relevant, this is about Harrison's career as a solo artist. Obviously his time in the Beatlesneeds to be mentioned, but I think mentioning this band is superfluous
 * Removed--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ref 9 it's International Business Times
 * Fixed--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ref 11 the hyphen should be an en dash
 * I think I have fixed that.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You use ref 23 to reference The Concert for Bangladesh video album, yet I can't see it anywhere in that source
 * Yes, done--Tomcat (7) 19:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, but you need to add the author and publication date. NapHit (talk) 13:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Done--Tomcat (7) 20:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * also those release dates need referencing and need to indicate what territory the release date refers to
 * They don't need to be referenced since the footnotes below the country abbreviations include the dates.--Tomcat (7) 14:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * But the reader is unaware of this. I would reference this to a specific region and provide the actual date as well, this is now standard in discographies and I would expect the same here. NapHit (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You have some regions in small and others in normal font. Per other discography pages they should all be small. NapHit (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean?--Tomcat (7) 20:52, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

NapHit (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't start a sentence with "Around this time" without providing a date. You need to reword the start of that sentence, this was mentioned in the previous FLC and should have been fixed.
 * Ok, removed.--Tomcat (7) 13:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Comments – Hi Tomcat7, I saw this was up for FL and noticed a few issues that I don't think are pointed out above:
 * "After a meeting with Indian musician Ravi Shankar, Harrison was introduced to the sitar ..." Harrison first came across the sitar while filming the Beatles movie Help! in early '65 and then used the instrument on "Norwegian Wood" in October that year. He didn't meet Ravi Shankar till June or July 1966, after writing (and recording, probably) "Love You To".
 * Reworded--Tomcat (7) 13:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * "Later he tested with the slide guitar, which he used on the last three Beatles albums." I'm not sure what "tested" means here(!), but no matter what Bruce Eder of Allmusic says, Harrison did not play slide on the last three Beatles albums. It appears very briefly (and amateurishly) on "Strawberry Fields", perhaps not on the finished version but on one of the takes that was then compiled to form the master; the relevant take was included in full on Anthology 2. And there's an "undercurrent" of bottleneck on his 1969 B-side "Old Brown Shoe" – i.e., the way he moves his left hand on the fretboard makes the riff sound quite like he's playing slide guitar. But otherwise, it's acknowledged (in his autobiography, in many Harrison biographies) that he first played slide on the Delaney & Bonnie tour in December 1969, four months after recording was completed on Abbey Road.
 * Removed--Tomcat (7) 13:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * "After the official announcement of the Beatles' break-up on 31 December 1970 in a McCartney press release,[7] all four members remained active, either as solo artists or as members of other bands." Firstly, and I guess these things are subjective, it seems a surprise to read a mention of the other Beatles in this sentence – my suggestion would be something like: "After the official announcement of the Beatles' break-up ... Harrison remained musically active, as a solo artist, a record producer of fellow Apple Records acts, and an in-demand session musician." The other thing about this sentence is the date of the break-up: 31 Dec was when McCartney effectively sued the other three to end the partnership legally, but normally the date given for their break-up is 9 or 10 April. Not only that, but the reference you give includes a source that's dated in April, not December. (This all seems a bit deja vu, but I can't see the message I thought I'd left for you about this, months ago ...)
 * I simply removed the date, added what you suggested--Tomcat (7) 13:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Again, this is just a suggestion, but it seems to me that everything post-All Things Must Pass is dismissed very quickly. Harrison is acknowledged (by Beatles authors NIcholas Schaffner, Robert Rodriguez, Madinger & Easter and others, and GH biographer Simon Leng) as having been the most commercially successful and artistically consistent ex-Beatle until 1974. It was only when Wings' Band on the Run finally took off sales-wise in the US (April '74, thanks to the "Jet" single) that McCartney assumed that mantle, and his impressive run continued until the early '80s. Living in the Material World was seen as a big success (those authors I mentioned use much more colourful adjectives), and the way I understand it – the relevant reference is from a Bill Harry book, quoted in the LITMW article – the album sold 3 million, most of which was in America. (And this was a time, pre-1980s, when artists actually had to request that the RIAA carry out a sales audit, which some of the more competitive types – dare I say it, McCartney and Lennon – were more prone to do than perhaps Harrison was.) It's definitely a surprise not to see Cloud Nine mentioned – a big seller and, finally, full critical rehabilitation for Harrison after 1974–75 – and Brainwashed also, as his final, posthumous album release. And, given that the introductory text is supposed to serve as an overview of sorts (no?), I'd think mention should be made (instead of the current "receiving silver, gold and platinum certifications" etc) that all his albums in the '70s were certified gold by the RIAA. Also, out of a number of Harrison's enduring hit singles, only "My Sweet Lord", "What Is Life" and "All Those Years Ago" get a mention right now. My suggestion would be to name also "Bangla Desh" (rock's first charity single); "Give Me Love (US #1 and, with LITMW simultaneously topping the albums chart, the second time Harrison achieved the so-called Billboard double after My Sweet Lord/ATMP in Jan '71); "Dark Horse" and "Crackerbox Palace" perhaps; "Blow Away"; "Got My Mind Set on You", definitely (especially as you mention what didn't chart in the '80s).
 * Doing--Tomcat (7) 13:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Added Bangla Desh, Give Me Love + LITMW, Got My Mind Set On You.--Tomcat (7) 19:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Added Cloud Nine and Brainwashed.--Tomcat (7) 12:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, and comment perhaps about moving to his own, Warner-distributed Dark Horse Records in January 1976, following the closing down of Apple (in its initial form)?

I hope this helps, Tomcat7. Don't want to interfere – these are simply things that spring to mind from reading the introductory text. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't add that information since you did not state references. Many of the books about Harrison are not available online, so perhaps it is better if you be bold and make changes. If you want you can be the co-nominator. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added missing dates as requested. Happy to help out with the introductory text, Tomcat – but it's okay, you keep the nom. (I can't get too excited about working on lists of numbers!) Cheers, JG66 (talk) 05:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * PS. Sorry, I haven't set the new references in ref template (I can't stand the way they look, personally, with unnecessary full stops and capital letters, but it's your call of course). Also, I wasn't sure how you were handling cases of author names being repeated, eg "Madinger, Chip & Easter, Mark, p. 330" or "Madinger & Easter, p. 330". JG66 (talk) 05:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the dates. I will try to put the Allmusic biography aside and search for more reliable sources. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 20:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait, I addressed all issues, and I intended to wait until George Harrison is promoted to FA status. What a shame...--Tomcat (7) 20:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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