Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Grade I listed buildings in Rhondda Cynon Taf/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC).

Grade I listed buildings in Rhondda Cynon Taf

 * Nominator(s): EdwardUK (talk) 18:49, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... with Grade I buildings in Wales being those of "exceptional interest" it seemed a worthwhile subject to be improved to a high quality, and a recent peer review suggested it was close to level required. As a first attempt at a featured list this specific topic was chosen as it had such a limited scope and with the intention that feedback and experience gained can be used for improving similar but longer lists. EdwardUK (talk) 18:49, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Comments Support by Hog Farm
Will be claimed for wikicup points
 * "Newman 1995, pp. 434-5, 521." - Spell out 435 here.
 * Add a short description
 * "In 1746 Edward Williams was employed" - Comma after 1746
 * Link River Taff
 * " In 1746 Edward Williams was employed to build a bridge over the River Taff. The 27-year-old self-taught architect had gained a reputation for the quality of his stonemasonry but this was his first bridge. His three-arched design lasted less than three years before being washed away in a flood when the build-up of debris around the piers caused the flow of the river to be obstructed" - The cited page range is 73 to 78, but pages 73 and 74 don't seem to contribute any of the material from this, so they should be dropped from the page range.
 * done - also changed url to match


 * "Following this Edwards rebuilt the" - Comma after this
 * Check on Worldcat to see if Smiles has an OCLC
 * done - also added volume details


 * ") to connect the industry to the docks at Cardiff, both of these passed through Pontypridd contributing to its development into a major market town" - semicolon instead of the comma, and add a comma after Pontypridd
 * "and by 1875 when the Hetty shaft was sunk at Hopkinstown the population of Pontypridd had reached 8,000" - "when the Hetty shaft was sunk at Hopkinstown" is an appositive, and should be set off by commas.
 * "In 1981 only 35 mines remained in Wales " - Comma after 1981
 * For the date listed and the reference number in the table, use an intext citation so it's more obvious where the information is coming from, rather than linking the reference number to the external source.
 * part done - added to date listed, but not changed reference number


 * "In addition to being Grade I listed Pontypridd" - Comma after listed
 * "1791-95" MOS:DATERANGE wants 17911795
 * "Located on the west side of Hopkinstown the Hetty Engine House" - Comma after Hopkinstown
 * The note needs a citation.
 * done - I think this should cover it as there wasn't one that I could take from the standard templates.

Once these are addressed, I'll take another look at it. Hog Farm Bacon 02:45, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I have made all the changes except for replacing the external link in the "Reference Number" column with an inline citation as this is consistent with all the other UK listed building and scheduled monument lists, also had I used the Cadw listed building row template it would have been linked automatically. Note that I chose not to use the header and row templates for reasons mentioned in Featured list candidates/Grade I listed buildings in Monmouthshire/archive1 - because the "Function" column and the image upload and commonscat links are undesirable, and it forces the text to be centre aligned. Thanks for the comments. EdwardUK (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That should work. I'm ready to support this one, although others are likely to have additional comments. Hog Farm Bacon 14:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Support by KJP1
Placeholder - shall get to this on the weekend. KJP1 (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Commented at the peer review, and the list has only improved further since then. A few minor comments/suggestions but nothing to stand in the way of my support.
 * In two points in the lead, mention is made of South Wales. In the opening sentence, it's "the south of Wales", and in the fourth para. it's "there were 620 mines in south Wales". I think it should be capitalised (?), and I wonder if South Wales would help the reader, probably at first mention, i.e., "a county borough in South Wales". Incidentally, I think the lead now nicely contextualises the article.
 * changed opening to South Wales and moved link to Wales to later in section
 * 3rd para. - "In 1746, Edward Williams was employed" - you've flipped his names, from William Edwards. An easy thing to do! Will also need changing (x2) in the 6th sentence of this para.
 * 3rd para. - "which used circular holes through the haunches reduce the load". First, I think there's a missing "to" after haunches. Second, is "haunches" a bit specialist for the general reader? "through the two ends of the arch"?
 * changed - I chose "haunches" as this was used by Coflein and Newman (Cadw uses "spandrels"), but think that the simplified version is better.
 * Bibliography - you could authorlink Newman and Smiles.
 * Bibliography - You could also, for consistency, give the url for Glamorgan. As an aside re. the url for Hughes, I've had editors complain about links to Google Books, as it's seen as favouring a commercial site. Therefore, unless the url gives a snippet, I tend to use Worldcat. That said, there are very respected editors who loathe any url links at all, so it's merely a suggestion.
 * Added Worldcat for Newman, and inline page-url for Hughes – for online book sources I usually give the url for where I read it (google, archive.org or others) to make it easier for verification, but with Newman I used a print copy and some of the referenced pages not visible online.
 * Criteria - It looks to me that it meets all 6 criteria.
 * Pleased to Support. Great to see the lists of Welsh listed buildings being developed. KJP1 (talk) 09:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * All changes made. Thanks - EdwardUK (talk) 12:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Image review - pass

 * All images are free and compliant with MOS:IMAGELOC. Hog Farm Bacon 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Source review - Pass
Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 01:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Would link Historic England (ref 3), Cadw (refs 4, 6, 7, 12, 18, 20, 23, 25) and The Independent
 * Are you sure that "The National Archives" is the publisher for ref 5? A lot of countries probably have a "National Archives" so surely the full name is different?
 * When ever you have pp. with two numbers you should use an em dash " – " rather than a hyphen/minus sign "-" (small difference but this is the standard – is already done correctly in ref 17 anyways)
 * Newman in the biblio needs isbn 13 (use the converter)
 * Reliability is good – mostly government websites or those with statistical info Aza24 (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * All changes made – I have added a link for The National Archives and this appears to be the full name. EdwardUK (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, well the link should be enough to avoid any confusion. Good work here – pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 06:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Support ~ HAL  333  04:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Giants2008 ( Talk ) 21:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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