Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Grammy Award for Best Urban/Alternative Performance/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 16:23, 6 June 2011.

Grammy Award for Best Urban/Alternative Performance

 * Nominator(s): Blackjacks101 (talk) 20:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I currently believe it make featured list criteria. I have recently promoted a grammy list to FL and by the looks of things (if it gets more reviews) I will soon have a second FL grammy list under my belt as well.--Blackjacks101 (talk) 20:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I made several edits to the list--feel free to state if you disagree with any of the changes made. Overall, I think the list is good. No disambig links or problematic external links. I would just make sure that (especially now that the award has been disestablished) its entire history is present. I think this part could be expanded: "The award will be discontinued from 2012 in a major overhaul of Grammy categories. In 2012, the category will be shifted to the Best R&B Performance category." I will take another look at the list soon. (Note: I am busy constructing the Grammy Awards task force, to the point where I am forgetting about my own FLC nominations, mostly due to lack of activity.) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look for more information on the history =), thanks for commenting!--Blackjacks101 (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments –
 * The size of the list is only nine items. This is very thin for a piece of featured content, and in the old days would have been heavily opposed for not meeting the unofficial 10-item rule of the time. Criteria 3b is a little friendlier to such a list (a merge somewhere is unlikely), but I think it's worthy of note in case anyone else wants to comment on it.
 * "the award was presented to artists that have made 'newly recorded urban/alternative performances with vocals". Since this is now past tense (the award won't be presented any more), why is "have" here?
 * Space needed before the last sentence of the lead.
 * "in a major overhaul of Grammys". Missing "the" before Grammys.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 20:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments! All Done!--Blackjacks101 (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support Meets the criteria. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments This list looks pretty nice, but I just have a few suggestions for improvement. I look forward to your response! Edge3 (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The first paragraph discusses the history and purpose of Grammy Awards in general, while information on this specific award (Best Urban/Alternative Performance) does not come until the second paragraph. Since the main focus of this article is the specific award, I would shift your general description of Grammy Awards further down the page.
 * You don't make it clear what "urban/alternative performance" actually means. Perhaps a wikilink would be helpful?
 * Thanks for the comments! First off I described the Grammy awards in the first paragraph to stay consistent with the other FL Grammy Lists. In my opinion it also lets anyone understand the article.  Somebody who goes on this page should be informed what this ceremony is about before further detail is pursued into a specific category.  That way when the information is represented to the reader they're able to use that background knowledge to get a better understanding towards the category.  And to answer you second question, if you look at the comments from Adabow a similar question arose.  I had linked alternative music and urban music yet he felt that since their is no link from the Grammy Awards that purely represents what the definition of urban and alternative music is in this case is, that my assumption would be independent information and thus not reliable.--Blackjacks101 (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It still remains unclear what exactly urban or alternative music is. The reader cannot possibly know the reasons for which these talented artists won this specific award, unless you clearly define exactly what it means to "have been influenced by a cross section of urban music". If you cannot provide a wikilink to another article, then you'll have to incorporate an explanation into the article. Edge3 (talk) 08:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the thing though. I cannot add information on what defines urban music in the Grammy's sense without them clearly specifically stating what it is.  I could on the other hand link R&B to urban since this category fell under the R&B branch.--Blackjacks101 (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see where you're coming from. I'll do a bit of research to see if the information I'm looking for actually exists. Edge3 (talk) 12:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you...but everything else is okay?--Blackjacks101 (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no other issues with this article. I was unable to find a detailed account of what the Recording Academy understands "urban music" or "alternative music" to mean, unfortunately. I won't let that issue hold up this FLC, though, so I support. Edge3 (talk) 21:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


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