Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lang Lang discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 15:36, 26 September 2009.

Lang Lang discography

 * Nominator(s): DiscreteIllusion (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is similar in style and make to Kronos Quartet discography. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments


 * Should "discography of classical pianist Lang Lang" be bolded?
 * "discography of the Kronos Quartet" was not bolded. Therefore, I did not bold "discography of classical pianist Lang Lang". DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can take out the second sentence; it's evident from the first sentence what genre he performs.
 * Done. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the "Notes" column, some entries have periods while others don't. Make this consistent.
 * Periods removed because sentences were not complete. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Includes traditional Chinese music and work by Central Philharmonic Society..." I would link traditional Chinese music instead of traditional music. Additionally, it should read "...work by the Central Philharmonic Society..."
 * Done. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on a search, other articles have "Io ci sarò" in place of "Io Ci Saro".
 * Replaced. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Current reference 3 (Videointerview mit Lang Lang) has a date of publication inconsistently formatted. Others have it as YYYY-MM-DD, but ref 3 has it as MM-DD-YY.
 * Fixed. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Once these issues are fixed, I'll have no problem supporting. Mm40 (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC) Well done. Mm40 (talk) 11:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. DiscreteIllusion (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Support A little bit of a departure from most discographies, but given the subject matter, I'm okay with that. Everything else is clearly up to FL standards, so I'm happy to support. Drewcifer (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources
 * What makes http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=19938 reliable?
 * It's a magazine, or so it claims. Is it any different from the Stern source? How may I prove reliability? ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 02:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * To determine the reliability of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliability that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further information. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've had a look at that site, and it looks pretty good. Since it's a commercial site editorial information is not so easy to come by, though, but the fact that you have to pay for it is kind of an endorsement. I'm going to try and look a little closer, but I'd accept it as a reliable source, yes. Is it different from Stern? I don't understand the question. I guess "of course" is the answer. Drmies (talk) 02:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, look at this. These hits suggest to me that the magazine is treated as authoritative. I'll write their article when I have a moment. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think stern.de is a magazine. If so, you should format it as an italicized work rather than a website (Stern, no stern.de). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. It's in German. I've italicized it though. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 02:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand: yes, it's the title of a magazine--one of the best-known magazines in Germany. I've added the proper wikilink. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment. The list as it stands now meets, I would say, most of the formal criteria for an FL. However, I am not so thrilled with many of the references--I simply don't take that much stock in Amazon.com as a reliable source for listings etc. That's a matter of preference, I realize that, but I believe that an FL should be the best it could be and right now it isn't: it could offer more in the way of references. For instance, to verify that Christoph Eschenbach participates on ''Beethoven: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 4'' you can certainly use the Amazon listing for a dry fact--but you could also browse around and find (more?) reliable and much more informative sources:, , , and , all found using a Google News search (such as this one, but I played around with the search terms a little bit to find some of them). In my opinion, the best kind of list that Wikipedia can produce should have a little bit more in terms of references than just the bare bones of an Amazon or Rhapsody listing. I realize this is a lot of work: doing that that for Kronos took me a month or two, but I believe it is worth the effort. If I am too demanding, by all means pay no attention--but standards for an FL should be high, and since this discography is relatively short, it shouldn't take months. Did I already say, "Great work, Discrete?" If I haven't, pardon me: great work, Discrete. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Drmies wrt amazon; I won't raise a stink over it, but prefer that higher-quality sources are used. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Drmies. I've begun to replace references, but I'm almost positive that the article titles for The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Dallas Morning News are incorrect. Would you happen to know where I could find the proper names for these articles? Google News is being decidedly unhelpful. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 20:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice work. The Philadelphia Inquirer article, that is correct (though there was a subtitle). I have not yet found the Dallas article (did I add that??) though I'm working on it--for some papers, older archives are not complete in LexisNexis and other databases. I'll see what I can find later tonight, after bath time (not mine, mind you). Drmies (talk) 23:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean the "Reviews" article by Peter Dobrin? I cannot find that in the Inquirer, and I've looked everywhere. Where did you find that to begin with? A search in the Inquirer (through ProQuest) for "lang lang" and dobrin finds five articles, but they're all concert reviews. Drmies (talk) 03:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here, from a Google News Search. I'll go work on other references when I get a chance. And no, I added the Dallas article. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 05:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is so weird. I looked again at ProQuest, and they have 88 articles from that issue--none with that title, and none written by Dobrin. I also searched the issue of 25 March (the Sunday before), and nothing. Finally, I searched for the phrase "Works of Haydn, Rachmaninoff" in the entire PI archive, again nothing. Then I looked at all articles written by Dobrin in 2001, again nothing. I'm puzzled. I'm going to have to assume that ProQuest does not list all of the articles of the older papers, esp. not if they're brief reviews--that's the only thing I can come up with. It's not very satisfactory, but I don't really want to doubt that Accessmylibrary database either. If you want to make sure you could order the paper article through your library... Drmies (talk) 14:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to do this when I get a chance to; otherwise, are there any further outstanding issues with this list? ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 04:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment
 * There's seven albums in the Studio Album section but the lead and infobox state six. Is there a reason for this difference? --Jpeeling (talk) 10:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake; I found another album and added it, but forgot to increment the number. I've changed it to seven. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 16:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments from
 * General
 * Dabs, external links, and alt text check out fine.
 * Lead
 * His first CD was released in 2000 under Telarc International Corporation.  -- Be consistent with the rest of the article, use "album" versus CD
 * Done. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 16:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lang Lang has recorded two soundtracks, including the score by Alexandre Desplat for the 2007 movie The Painted Veil.  -- what does the score refer to? I'm confused by this.
 * "The score" is traditionally used to refer to the pieces in soundtracks. For instance, Kronos Quartet discography (which I stole a great deal of wording from) reads "Kronos has recorded five soundtracks including the 1998 score by Philip Glass for the 1931 silent movie Dracula, and has contributed to the soundtracks of five other movies, including Heat and 21 Grams." ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 16:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see now :)-- T ru  c o   503 02:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * While Lang Lang has also worked with singers like Taiwanese R&B star Jay Chou and Chinese folk singer Song Zuying, none of these collaborations have been published. -- Unlink the genres, they are commonly known, so they don't need links.
 * I personally didn't know what R&B was until looking it up, but I've unlinked them at your request. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 16:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Tables
 * I feel that the ref should go next to the name of the album, versus the released date, because in that way it gives the reader a sense that the ref verifies all the details under the name of the album, ya know?
 * Moved. Looks kinda worse now, though, doesn't it? ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 16:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. It looks better.-- T ru  c o   503 02:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * References, external links
 * Check out fine.-- T ru  c o   503 15:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   503 02:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)--  T ru  c o   503 02:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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