Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lil Debbie discography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by  Pres N  04:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC).

Lil Debbie discography

 * Nominator(s):  Azealia 911  talk  12:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

This article details the discography of American rapper Lil Debbie, from her early 2012 mixtapes to her recent 2015 EPs. It features a strong, well-covering lead along with a well-referenced comprehensive list of releases.  Azealia 911  talk  12:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Quick drive-by comment - "Following an appearance in the music video for group member Kreayshawn's "Gucci Gucci" in 2011" - what group? No group has been mentioned............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So it hadn't, added a note about it now.  Azealia 911  talk


 * Back for a proper review.....
 * "In 2011" mentioned in two consecutive sentences, not sure both are needed
 * Removed one.  Azealia 911  talk


 * V-Nasty wikilinked in two consecutive sentences
 * Removed one.  Azealia 911  talk


 * "These videos later saw commercial release as singles" - the videos themselves can't have been released as singles. The songs were released as singles
 * Corrected.  Azealia 911  talk


 * "Due to the relatively minuscule track listing, Queen D was not eligible to chart on any album charts in the United States" - is it really necessary to state this? Why would people expect EPs to be eligible for the albums chart?  Certainly in the UK, where I am based, an EP would always chart on the singles chart.
 * I'd say it was appropriate. I too live in the UK, but rules are seemingly different for US charting. EG, her first EP, Queen D featured five tracks and charted on singles charts. However, her second EP, California Sweetheart, Pt. 1, released less than six months later, featured eight tracks and charted on an album chart. Both are technically EPs so are listed as such, but one charted on singles charts while the other logged in on an album chart. The note clears up any possible confusion.  Azealia 911  talk
 * That makes sense, but "Due to the relatively minuscule track listing" seems a little verbose, I'd be inclined to say simply "Due to its short length". After all, I presume the criterion is based on total run time rather than number of tracks.  Napalm Death could release a CD with 20 tracks but it would still probably be eligible for the singles chart ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol you're right about Napalm Death, changed the sentence. :)  Azealia 911  talk


 * "commercial success of it's predecessor" - there should not be an apostrophe in "its"
 * Corrected.  Azealia 911  talk


 * "The EP featured guest appearances from Wiz Khalifa, Paul Wall and Bricc Baby Shitro." - not sourced
 * Sourced.  Azealia 911  talk


 * Promotional singles table - sources do not confirm that these were promotional singles? For that matter, what is the definition of a promotional single as opposed to a regular single?
 * Regular singles are always released commercially. However, the lines on what promotional singles are is quite blurred, especially on this site. Usually, anything that garnered notable release but wasn't an official single gets thrown in that box. From my perspective, after seeing examples in other discographies and reading over the article for promotional single, anything that was released for free, but was still largely reported on, used to promote a project, received artwork ETC, is a promotional single. I'll use that for the two specific listings.


 * The "What It Look Like" remix received an artwork, notable coverage from Complex, and was released for free. Having another rapper on the song reaches out to their fanbase and promotes the work of Lil Debbie. "420" was released on July 30, a day before the Home Grown EP dropped, and was the only track to feature a barely-relevant rapper she's ever worked with, hyping up the release for the EP. However, that is my interpretation and you may well class that as WP:OR, but I think you'll struggle to get the same answer out of two people on what a promotional single is.  Azealia 911  talk


 * List of non-single guest appearances - two of them apparently did not appear on any album. If they weren't on albums, and weren't singles, what were they??
 * They're just that, guest appearances. Songs in which she wasn't the lead artist of, that didn't garner a single release. You'll find non-album guest appearances a common occurrence in modern FL discographies.  Azealia 911  talk
 * How were they released, though, if not either as singles or on albums? That's what I'm struggling to grasp...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In this case, the two tracks were released to online streaming, the song "Not the Same" was uploaded to AudioMack, a site where users can stream/download urban music, while the song "Pump" was uploaded to Red Bulls site.  Azealia 911  talk
 * Thanks for the clarification. I fear I'm a bit out of touch with all the ways the kids get their music these days ;-)  Out of interest, if tracks had been uploaded to those sites which were not guest appearances but were by Debbie alone, where in the discography would those have appeared.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

lol it's fine, I appreciate the thorough review. Umm, if Debbie was the lead artist, I probably wouldn't have included it, maybe if she had enough stand alone releases as a lead artist, I'd create an "Other releases" section like I did at Azealia Banks discography.  Azealia 911  talk  09:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's all I've spotted thus far..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments.  Azealia 911  talk  12:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Support - all seems OK now, thanks for bearing with me ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem whatsoever, thankyou for the support :)  Azealia 911  talk  12:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Support! Littlecarmen (talk) 20:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou!  Azealia 911  talk  21:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Reviewer: Eurofan88 (talk)
 * You should change the number of singles from 14 to 12 as 2 of them are promotional singles.
 * No, they're still singles, promotional or not.  Azealia 911  talk


 * Why Riff Raff's name is capitalized? It's a stylization and should be omitted anyway.
 * Changed.  Azealia 911  talk


 * Use Director(s) in the Music video section as Joe Dietsch and Louie Gibson directed two vidoes together. --Eurofan88 (talk) 22:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Changed.  Azealia 911   talk

Thankyou for your comments.  Azealia 911  talk  22:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, in overall it's a good list, but sad that none of her releases have their own articles on Wikipedia. --Eurofan88 (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for the support, yep I agree, it's hard due to her being such a low charting artist, although I am working on a couple.  Azealia 911  talk  22:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments from FrB.TG

 * Support — Frankie  talk 14:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou!  Azealia 911  talk  14:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comments from WillC
 * Disclaimer: I'm unfamiliar with the style of discographies so I'm going to try my best here.


 * Not much to really look at now. My only issue is as far as I am aware, tables are exceptions to overlinking. If I'm not mistaken that is my only issue with formatting stuff in the tables is linked only once.
 * I'll take the references in good faith. I'm sure some of them have already been covered above and from what I can tell they seem to check out. Overall, I'm not really finding much of an issue here.-- Will C  02:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have any requests for change on the article? Sorry to ask, but you comments seem like observations as opposed to suggestions.  Azealia 911  talk  17:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * My only concern is the linking of all terms in the table even if they are featured several times. Wish I had more, but I don't really see any issues since I'm not familiar with the style too much.-- Will C  20:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * While I see what you mean about overlinking regulations not applying to tables, I think I'll leave it if it's all the same to you. Once in the lead and once in the first occurrence in a table seems to be enough. Thankyou for your comments.  Azealia 911  talk  16:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter to me really. Just a preference of mine, you don't have to share it. No one else seems to have an issue with it so I'm fine.-- Will C  00:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Support from WillC. -- Will C  00:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou!  Azealia 911  talk  08:13, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments from West Virginian
Support:, following my review of this list, I assess that it meets the criteria for both Featured list criteria and Manual of Style/Lead section and it looks like the concerns raised above have been addressed and incorporated into the list. While Lil Debbie lacks a robust musical catalog, this list is the most comprehensive compendium of her work out there, and is in line with other music artist discographies. Congratulations on a job well done! -- West Virginian   (talk)  15:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou very much!  Azealia 911  talk  17:18, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delegate comments

Looked through this list before going to promote it, and I have some issues with the lead that I'd like to see fixed first:
 * I'd like at least one sentence actually saying who Lil Debbie is before launching into her album count. Just the first sentence of her article, "Jordan Capozzi (born February 2, 1990), better known by her stage name Lil Debbie is an American-Italian rapper, model and fashion designer.[1]" is fine.
 * In the second paragraph, you say that the other two members of the group were Kreayshawn and V-Nasty, but the very next sentence you reiterate that Kreayshawn was a member of the group and don't mention that V-Nasty was when you mention her. I think you should change "group member Kreayshawn's" to just "Kreayshawn's".
 * "In August [...] California Sweetheart, Pt. 2[, ...] later, a compilation[, ...] the following month Young B!tch..." - so the compilation was released a nebulous "later", but Young B!tch was released one month after later? either the compilation or Young B!tch need a more specific date, because one month after later doesn't make much sense. I'd replace "later" with an actual month, because right now it's the only release to be so vague. -- Pres N  01:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for your comments, done.  Azealia 911  talk  09:39, 17 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Closing as passed -- Pres N  04:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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