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The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 11:49, 15 July 2008.

List of Australians who have led the Tour de France general classification
This topic was all the buzz over the last 12 hours in Australia with Cadel Evans taking the lead in the 2008 TdF GC. I hope you all like it :) Daniel (talk) 06:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * A little short, only seven entries in the list, could be an issue, and a little unstable right now too as you have the leader of the current Tour in the list! Just observations mind you.
 * Thank goodness it can only change at the end of the stage - I made sure there was no "leaders on the road" silliness :) I hope the fact it's only seven entries doesn't cause any issues; it will hopefully swell over the next couple of years. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You link Stage (bicycle race) three times in the lead.
 * I do too. I've removed one, the other two are at opposite ends of the body so I think they should be OK. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No real need to link the date (July 1, 1981) - it's being discouraged at the moment.
 * I did it for the date preferences - has this changed? Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * General Classification article seems to capitalise the phrase - consider that here. Also, could you put (GC) after the first use so we understand the abbreviation?
 * All of the other classifications use "c", and most usage seems to be "c", so I've moved the GC article. Re: "(GC)", done, thanks. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "have been the wearers of the" - try "have worn the"?
 * Thanks. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The table isn't sortable so avoid the overlinking (e.g. Anderson, Peugeot etc are linked at least twice).
 * Done. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlink those dates in the table.
 * I'm still not sure about this. MOS:SYL is pretty clear that we should be linking them for preferences reasons. If this is going out of vogue, could you please have the policy changed so unlinking is no longer explicitly contrary to the Manual of Style? Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a need to captitalise Final in the GC Final heading?
 * I've changed it to "Final GC", because headings look neater with all caps. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of adding the Category:Cycling lists category.
 * Thanks. Daniel (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose Per criterion 7: Stability, which says "content does not change significantly from day to day". I understand entirely why recent events have encouraged the creation of this list, but while it's being updated to follow Mr Evans' successes in the current Tour, it fails criterion 7, so I have to oppose.
 * Though I'll add some comments as well...
 * Opening sentences reading "This is a list of repeat-the-article-title-here..." are now actively discouraged. See here. You may want to try going straight into your description of the Tour (moving its date of establishment from your opening sentence into that description), and then in the second paragraph add anything you need about the scope of the list. Also, the plural of Tour de France is Tours de France, not Tour de Frances.
 * "One of the three Grand Tours" Ref #1 doesn't mention three Grand Tours (I don't think)
 * "predominantly in the month of July". Ref #1 just says "each July".
 * "most well known" would "best known" be better?
 * Ref #4 takes me to a page inviting me to register. I don't doubt its reliability, but are there no public sources which cover the information you source to CyclingFever? The Tour de France website itself, perhaps?
 * What makes AMB Cote d'Azur a reliable source?
 * Re O'Grady and McEwen, does "were successful in the points classification" mean "won", or "did well in", because (to me at least) it isn't obvious.
 * Could "which gave them lead of the GC for a small number of days" be better phrased?
 * In Cite news, the newspaper's name goes in the 'work' parameter, not the publisher.
 * Ref #9 doesn't cite McGee being reigning pursuit world champion when he won the 2003 prologue. Though at least CyclingFever lets me read that page without registering!
 * I'd prefer the year column to be headed Year, not Edition.
 * For me on a 1024-width screen, some columns wrap alarmingly, for instance both date columns wrap to 3 lines. Consider breaking the stage details with a spaced endash to allow those to wrap, and maybe in the Notes column have references to a notes section rather than the notes themselves? Or, consider dispensing with the dates, as the exact date of the stage adds little valuable information, and having the stage numbers in their own column unentangled with the stage description, so that it's clearer what the numbers are meant to be. Also, stage number P needs explaining. And whatever you do with the notes, they need sources.
 * McGee didn't win the points classification in 2003.
 * If you aren't using the Tour official site for referencing, consider adding it to External links.
 * Hope some of this lot helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm, I forgot lists had a stability criterion, and on that ground there's no chance of this passing :) I'm going to copy your comments to the talk page and deal with them there, and have TRM close this as withdrawn. Thanks much for your comments. Daniel (talk) 11:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn - sent to Failed Log so it can be archived correctly. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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