Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Burnley F.C. players (50–99 league appearances)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 17:43, 13 September 2010.

List of Burnley F.C. players (50–99 league appearances)

 * Nominator(s): Big  Dom  11:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because... I believe it meets the FL criteria. The list is an accompaniment to the List of Burnley F.C. players (100+ league appearances), but contains those players who played between 50 and 99 league games for the club. Anyway, the table is fully sortable and the use of colour and symbols meets WP:ACCESS. Dablinks etc. have been checked. Thanks in advance, Big  Dom  11:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's good, but before TRM gets here, I'll go ahead and point out that when ordering by games played, they should be subsequently ordered by goals scored. The reasoning being that those with higher score are better or something. For an example see List of Athletic Bilbao players. Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 09:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean, but that sounds odd to me. How can one compare a goalkeeper and striker who have played the same number of matches, and come to the conclusion that the striker was better because he scored more goals? Big  Dom  09:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There are multiple valid ways to sort players with the same number of apps - my own lists sort players on the same number of apps by the dates when they played. There is no reason why the list must use number of goals as the second sorting criterion -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This list is created in alphabetical order rather than number of games, hence the secondary sorting key is surname, rather than number of goals. Big  Dom  17:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For the record I agree it's odd and since the two of you are against it, I'll join the bandwagon. However if we do have a secondary sorting system it should be somewhat consistent across lists and not be a mix of alphabetical/chronological/goals scored Sandman888 (talk) Latest PR 19:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support all checks out fine. Sandman888 (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look! Big  Dom  20:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support. I would list notes and references in separate columns but its just a matter of taste. Argyle 4 Life  talk  22:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Courcelles 21:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * By criterion 2, the lead section is supposed to provide an introduction to the subject. Given that the subject is Burnley players 50-99 apps, shouldn't it say at least as much about the players in the list as it does about the history of Burnley F.C.? Or at least something about some of the players in the list.
 * Did you consider using the FB/HB/IF/OF/CF positions, as used at List of Watford F.C. players, for players from the days when formations were different? Saves on guesswork for centre-halves, if nothing else. I was thinking of converting the BCFC lists, if I ever feel brave enough.
 * Replies:
 * Not sure what to write in the lead, do you have any suggestions? There's no precedent for this type of player list where none of the record-setting players are included and the ones who are there have mostly just had generally mediocre careers.
 * I didn't consider doing that, but I can if you would prefer.
 * Thanks, Big  Dom  10:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (Lead) Do any of the following apply to players in this appearance-range (please bear in mind I know nothing about Burnley F.C., their awards or their record-holders): youngest/oldest player; first Burnley player capped for anybody; first (any?) capped for England while at Burnley; played in the title-winning sides; played in the Cup Final sides; Player of the Year; any of your footnoted top goalscorers also divisional top scorer; went on to manage the club. That sort of thing.
 * (Positions) Up to you. I was convinced by User:WFCforLife's argument on the subject at the Watford list FLC re halfbacks, sources and original research. Though I'm not sure where his 1965 as a "changeover" date to modern positions comes from.
 * Replies:
 * (Lead) Youngest player: Tommy Lawton (25 apps), Oldest player: Jerry Dawson (522 apps), First international (was also first England international): Jack Yates (29 apps), so none of those are included, and AFAIK Burnley don't keep a record of their Players of the Year (it's not in the official history book, on the official website or even on any of the fansites). However, I will add some information about the players in the cup-winning/title-winning teams and managers etc.
 * Cheers, Big  Dom  08:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to note I have no objection to the playing positions not being converted to pre-post 65; left thread open because WFC's passing comment would otherwise make no sense. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Passing comment: Judging by player appearance records at the end of Watford Season by Season (which I am temporarily without), 1965 appeared to be the approximate time of the switch from 2-3-5 to 4-4-2, although I wouldn't submit it for a second FLC until I had a more concrete answer on the year (or alternatively, until I cross-referenced every pre-1998 position to that book, citing Jones' designation as what the list is going by). --WFC-- 22:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments –
 * "and the following year they won the FA Cup for the only time in 1914 ". That's a pretty obvious prose redundancy.
 * I'm going to agree with something I saw above, in that the lead really has little relation to the subject of the list. It's not like nothing could possibly be included on these players, either. Subjects like capped players, players with 99 appearances, and top goal-scorers among those on the list are but a few possibilities.
 * Reference 5 should include a note that the link is in PDF format.
 * Replies:
 * Removed
 * Ref 5 - is the PDF icon not enough?
 * Cheers, Big  Dom  17:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Withdraw nomination: Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to complete the lead at the moment, I just don't have time. I might merge this list with the 100+ players and re-submit the larger list at FLC at a later date. Otherwise, I may get round to writing something for this one and nominate it again. Anyway, thanks to all the editors who left comments in this nomination and helped me to improve the list. Cheers, Big  Dom  17:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


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