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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 18:04, 8 August 2009.

List of CMLL World Trios Champions

 * Nominator(s): MPJ-DK (talk) 12:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I am submitting this list for FL as I believe it fullfills all the requirements, I've incorporated old review comments in the hopes of producing the best list yet. I've become very aware of redlinks in the lists and how it looks bad for what is supposed to be "Featured Contenet", therefor I have already created articles Los Infernales, MS-1 (wrestler), Pirata Morgan, Masakre and Jaque Mate and I plan on turning the remaining redlinks blue over the next couple of weeks: Outstanding redlinks at time of submission: Pierroth, Jr., Universo 2000, El Brazo, Gran Markus, Jr., El Hijo del Gladiador. Yes I am aware that have two other FL candidates but one is winding down and one has been going for a week or so, I feel confident it won't be a problem to work on input for either of them. I look forward to any and all comments. MPJ-DK (talk) 12:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one that cannot get the disambig check link to work?? MPJ-DK (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments from
 * General
 * Dabs, external links, and alt text check out fine.
 * Lead
 * The CMLL World Trios Championship (Campeonato Mundial Trios de CMLL in Spanish) is the primary professional wrestling three-man tag team championship promoted by the Mexican Lucha Libre wrestling-based promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) in Mexico since 1993. - 1)Unlink Mexico 2)I would move the sentence about how the title is a pro wrestling title after the sentence that explains about the other Trios title.
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ..since 1993 the Mexican National title has been relegated to a secondary championship compared to the CMLL World Trios Championship. -- comma after 1993
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The first Trios championship team to be recognized by CMLL was MS-1, Pirata Morgan and Satánico (a team known as Los Infernales; Spanish for "the Infernals") who defeated the team of El Brazo, Brazo de Oro and Brazo de Plata (known collectively as Los Brazos; Spanish for "the Arms") in the finals of a 16-team tournament. -- 1)How about instead The first champions to be recognized? 2)Because in Spanish Los is capitalized since its a noun, the The in English needs to be capitalized
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the second reign for the team, while Héctor Garza has held the title three further times with other partners. -- further --> other
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The team is the 20th overall champions, in total 36 individuals have formed 18 championship teams. -- change the comma to a semicolon
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The team of Rey Bucanero, Emilio Charles, Jr. and Satánico held the championship the shortest time, at 39 days.
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Black Warrior, Blue Panther and Dr. Wagner, Jr. hold the record for the longest single reign of any team, at over 1,141 days.
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Dr. Wagner Jr's four reigns combine to 2,051 days, the highest for any wrestler. -- for --> of
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ...Héctor Garza also holds the record for most individual reigns, with five reigns as part of four different teams.
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The championship has been Vacated five times, either because one or more members of the team left the promotion or because a team split up, each time a tournament was held to determine the new champions. -- No need to capitalize Vacated
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Table
 * Championship vacated after the team broke up -- period needed
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Footnotes
 * All of them need a comma before placing
 * Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything else checks out fine.-- T ru  c o   503 17:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input. MPJ-DK (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.-- T ru  c o   503 15:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments by Will
 * Support: Concerns fixed-- Will C  07:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Change image text from "Perro Aguayo, Jr., part of the 17th CMLL World Trios Champions along with Héctor Garza and Mr. Águila" to "Perro Aguayo, Jr., along with Héctor Garza and Mr. Águila, were the 17th CMLL World Trios Champions.
 * Fixed
 * "The CMLL World Trios Championship (Campeonato Mundial Trios de CMLL in Spanish) is the primary professional wrestling three-man tag team championship promoted by the Mexican Lucha Libre wrestling-based promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) in Mexico since 1993." Add the translation of CMLL in here. Maybe change the sentence to "The CMLL World Trios Championship (Campeonato Mundial Trios de CMLL in Spanish) is the primary professional wrestling three-man tag team championship contested for by the Mexican Lucha Libre promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL; Spanish for "World Wrestling Council") since 1993."
 * Fixed.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Title history
 * "Table last updated July 24, 2009" Is this really needed?
 * It tells the readers that if there has been any title changes since July 24, 2009 is not in the list yet, since it's an active title and all. MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I can understand the reason, but what is the point actually? Why leave a note telling readers that editors have not updated this page. Would that appear in a written encyclopedia? No, so why should in appear in an online one? I believe readers could probably understand to not trust everything on here.
 * Well encylopedias are generally printed, so they have a "last updated" date on everything.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Somewhat, but anyway it isn't a big deal.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not important, removed.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Make sure all of the wrestlers are listed alphabetically in each reign section, if you understand what I mean.
 * No I don't understand I'm afraid.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Names should be "A, B, and C" not "C, B, and A". Get it now?
 * Ah you mean order of names per team.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed the 2 or 3 places it wasn't already like that.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The notes should complete sentences. "Defeated Los Brazos in the finals of a 16-team tournament" is not a complete sentence.
 * To make it complete I'd just mention the name of the team, but that's generally not how the notes are worded.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Recently that is how most of the notes are done.-- Will C  01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Point to an example please.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The most recent wrestling FLs. All mine have been that way and it usually makes more sense and is more helpful.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Team reigns by combined length
 * Why don't you just do this section and the one below like other FLs like here?
 * It's done like this to be consistent with all other CMLL & Mexican National Championship FLs that have already passed, if they're going to be a Feature Topic one day they need to all be internally consistent.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well those list can be changed as well. The first lists I did, had a different format than the ones I've done recently. I've had to go back and update them.-- Will C  01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are changed you cannot jump directly to "individual reigns" you'd have to go to "combined reigns", then scroll down - this format is more user friendly.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That is why you use level three headers.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then frankly it's virtually the same, an editors preference like centering all text or not. I prefer to keep it this way.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Table last updated July 24, 2009" same question as above.
 * All tables are quick references so everything that should be linked needs to be linked.
 * It's done like this to be consistent with all other CMLL & Mexican National Championship FLs that have already passed, if they're going to be a Feature Topic one day they need to all be internally consistent.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The others ones can always be updated.-- Will C  01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes they can, if it's a general rule that "quick reference" lists have links, I have not see this anywhere.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is supposed to be in the wikipedia MoS. I forget the link, sorry.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hasn't been brought up in 6 FLs and the other FLC I got right now, can't have been very clearly marked. Lemme just say that I don't mind doing it, it's not like it's hard, I just want to be sure it's actually required before I edit all the lists for consistency.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just use the age in days template to update the days automatically?
 * Where? in the combined reigns? Because none of them are in the first reign, to my knowledge there isn't a "age in days + a bit" template. And WP:PW got all pissy about it being OR when someone put a calculated start date to make it could "current reign + previous reign".  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was agreed it wasn't OR, and since then all the list articles have gone by that format. It just takes the editor counting back to which day it would add up to be correct with the statistics.-- Will C  01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're saying WP:PW actually got consensus on something? I'm tempted to ask for proof of this statement ;) I'll see what I can do.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, shocking I know. Just look up the discussion you were referring to. It was pretty much unanimous that it was not OR.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And fixed.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Individual reigns by combined length
 * Same as above.
 * Footnotes
 * Fine.
 * References
 * Taking all Spanish ones in good faith. Fine.


 * External links
 * Remove Cagematch.net, it is not reliable.-- Will C  00:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is why it's under External Links, not an actual source.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it is still unreliable so why link to a site that is unreliable when we are supposed to be trustworthy. Information on that site could be potentially false and some editors could think of adding it to this one as such.-- Will C  01:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Show me where it has been proven as unreliable? As far as I know it's never been proven "Reliable" which is not the same, it's as reliable as Solie.org sources not taken from the "Wrestling Title History", except it's not used as an actual source.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There have been a few FLs fail due to the questionable reliability of it. One example was the CZW World Heavyweight Championship.-- Will C  02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is why I'm not using it as a source.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think it should be in the article at all if it is not reliable. It is like the New York Times having and article about ants but says for more information to contact Jim Bob down the road.-- Will C  07:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I found a different reason from WP:External links under the "what not to use" it states "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article. " which the external links all fall under. I'll remove them all.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 10:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A couple of the web titles have words in all caps (refs 5 and 7). Per MOS:ALLCAPS, these should be converted to title case.
 * Why are some refs' publishers "SuperLuchas" and italicized, while others' publishers are "SuperLuchas magazine" and not italicized? Dabomb87 (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Some are "cite web" some "cite news", when it's the actual magazine that's cited it's automatically in italics, when it's from the website of the magazine it's not automatically italic but should be, and I will fix it (in this and all other previous and future FLCs).  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 20:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 21:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand why (refs 4 to 7) it sometimes says "magazine" but doesn't other times (all the refs are online). Dabomb87 (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It depends on what I cite, the places it says "SuperLuchas magazine" I cite the website for the "SuperLuchas magazine", when I cite the website the publisher is "SuperLuchas" as that's how it's credited in the magazine. but I'll change it all to "SuperLuchas" for consistency.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk 01:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Support – Would have supported yesterday if I didn't find the one problem image, and everything looks fine now that it's been removed.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 23:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
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