Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Carnivàle awards and nominations


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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 20:13, 1 November 2008.

List of Carnivàle awards and nominations
previous FLC (15:45, 17 September 2008)

The first FLC was unsuccessful last month, criticism was already addressed during that time, and I am trying again. – sgeureka t•c 16:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * Need to say in the references when the source is not in English (current ref 5)
 * http://www.castingsociety.com/artios/winners deadlinks
 * Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Both fixed. castingsociety.com is under construction, so I expect they'll keep changing their website structure in the foreseeable future. – sgeureka t•c 15:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments


 * Created by Daniel Knauf, the show is set in the United States Dust Bowl during the Great Depression and traces the disparate storylines of a young carnival worker named Ben Hawkins (played by Nick Stahl) and a preacher in California named Brother Justin Crowe (Clancy Brown). The Dust Bowl was a period of time, not a place, if you want to say the place, then it should be the Great Plains. Better as ..set in the Great Plains of the United States during the Dust Bowl and Great Depression.
 * Carnivàle garnered numerous awards and nominations and was nominated for seven Emmy Awards in its inaugural season, winning five in creative arts categories. ---> Carnivàle garnered numerous awards and nominations, which included seven Emmy Awards in its inaugural season, winning five in the creative arts categories. (bolded changed content).
 * The second season received eight further Emmy nominations in 2005 without a win.  - how about, ''The second season received eight further Emmy nominations in 2005, but did not win one.
 * Nominations for two Golden Reel Awards, four Satellite Awards and two Saturn Awards did not result in a win. - in the previous sentence it is stated that one of the actors won an award, so which is this, the actor or the series itself?
 * For the satellite awards under nominee, wouldn't the dash be better as having the name of the series, since that is what it was nominated for, right?
 * Satellite awards: Carnivàle was nominated in two categories in 2004 but failed to win in either. - comma after 2004.
 * Is there an image of the show on common or a logo for free use? S R X  20:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything addressed, or at least tried to do so. I rewrote the intro almost completely as I just couldn't make your suggestions work the way I wanted to (thanks for pointing out the Dust Bowl time-place issue, of which I was unaware). In the last FLC, someone objected to the title card image in the infobox although the FUR said that "Carnivàle's main title design won an Emmy", so I took it out. I may be able to get possibly-free images, but I'd have to read up on Canadian Panoramafreiheit rulings (if there any) and then ask many involved parties, which I consider a little out-of-proportion for the gain to pursue at the moment. – sgeureka t•c 11:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments  from
 * I would rename the article "List of awards and nominations received by Carnivàle" to match the current format. See Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Ludacris for the discussion.
 * "The inaugural season of Carnivàle garnered numerous awards and nominations including five Emmy Awards and two Emmy nominations in the creative arts categories." Comma after "nominations". Dabomb87 (talk) 18:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the comma. But although I have no attachment to the name of this list (feel free to change it), it could be argued that Carnivàle didn't receive the awards but mostly people for Carnivàle. The current naming follows the TV series format of List of Lost awards and nominations (formerly List of awards and nominations for Lost), List of Passions (TV series) awards and nominations, and List of 30 Rock awards and nominations; there is also List of awards won by The Simpsons that is intentionally incomplete and therefore named differently. I hope that we'll have settled on a one-size-fits-all naming format in a year or two. – sgeureka t•c 19:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you're saying. This is different from music group award pages. But explain why the infobox says "List of awards won by Carnivàle". Dabomb87 (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You got me. Stupid copy-paste mistake on my part. I changed it to "Awards and nominations for Carnivàle", as "Carnivàle awards and nominations" sounds too much like "MTV Awards". (I am seeing the point of a list renaming more and more...) – sgeureka t•c 21:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. Matthewedwards 07:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, looks great, nice work.-- Music 26/  11  14:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment
 * The infobox totals do not add up. For instance, Emmy awards shows 5 wins, and 10 nominations, yet it was actually nominated for 15 awards, and won 5 of those. I think it's a little misleading. Matthewedwards 19:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I did this cause I was bored.
 * I simply counted the greens and the reds instead of adding the greens to the reds. But I see all other TV award wiki articles use your convention. Sorry for forgetting the VES Awards. – sgeureka t•c 18:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Matthewedwards 22:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Costume Designers Guild Awards -- The category, according to the article, is "Excellence in Period or Fantasy Costume Design for Television Series"
 * Satellite Awards is "Best Television Drama Series", not "Best Series - Drama"; "Best Supporting Actress in a Series, Miniseries or Motion Picture Made for Television", not "Best Supporting Actress - Drama Series"
 * Check out all the other award categories for each Award ceremony to make sure WP calls them what they do.
 * I've copypasted the names now that the official sites give. In several cases, IMDb calls them differently, and wikipedia has a third name for them. E.g. per the official site, the name for the Costume Designers Guild Awards is "Excellence in Period / Fantasy Design for Televsio" [sic] and "Outstanding Period/Fantasy Television Series", per IMDb it's "Excellence in Costume Design for Television - Period/Fantasy" and "Outstanding Costume Design for Television Series - Period/Fantasy", and wikipedia combines them under Costume Designers Guild Award for Best Costume Design - Period or Fantasy TV Series. The article starter must have used the names from a fourth website. It looks a little inconstant now, and I was unsure what to do with the Golden Reel Award, the Artios Award and the Satellite Award naming (the Satellite Award website gives different names than what you said). – sgeureka t•c 18:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks inconsistent amongst the different award giving bodies, but at least it's correct now; however, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not coordinating conjunctions (for, and, or), prepositions (in), articles (an, a, the), or the word to when used to form an infinitive. Be careful with "Single-camera" and "Single-Camera", especially from the same people (as at the Emmys). Matthewedwards 07:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am unsure if your last comment was intended as an explanation or as a request to go over the titles again. Do I read this right that "for, and, or" etc. aren't capitalized? Is "Single-camera" or "Single-Camera" correct? – sgeureka t•c 18:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Re "for, and, or", etc, yes, they shouldn't be capitalised. As for "single-camera" vs "Single-Camera", I'm not sure, but I think they should all be the same. Matthewedwards 19:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have fixed this now. Thanks for the comments. – sgeureka t•c 19:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
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