Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Chicago Cubs managers/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:50, 24 August 2009.

List of Chicago Cubs managers

 * Nominator(s): -- T orsodo g Talk 16:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I've done a LOT of work to it and believe it is a great list that meets the FL criteria. I used other similar FLs as templates, most notably List of San Francisco Giants managers. -- T orsodo g Talk 16:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Does the green background for MotY only apply if the manager won the award WITH THE CUBS? I ask because Dusty Baker is a multi-winner (with other teams) but isn't green. Might be worth a tiny fix to the key for that, to "Awarded the Manager of the Year Award during tenure" or something. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, great point. I'll note that in the key right now! -- T orsodo g Talk 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Support Comments --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * "The Cubs have also had 13 general managers." no need for also
 * Gone!


 * "The franchise's first manager" Wouldn't "club's" be more adequate? Or wasn't it back then a club yet? needs clarification...
 * I don't really see a difference between club and franchise honestly. I could use "club" if you think that is a better term than "franchise".


 * "In 1984 and 1989, respectively, Jim Frey and Don Zimmer led the team" isn't proper syntax.
 * K, I think I cleaned this up correctly


 * "The Cubs hold an option for a fourth year." This should be merged with the sentence before it or be extended to say what option exactly.
 * I merged the two sentences -- T orsodo g Talk 21:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Images
 * Add alternative texts to all images using "|alt=" and describing what is seen in the image.
 * All the images have alt text already...?


 * File:Al Spalding Baseball.jpg needs license checking, why is it not public domain outside of the US? It also needs a summary and information template.
 * File:Cap Anson 0555fu.jpg needs rearrangement. The summary at the bottom comes first, the " Benjamin K. Edwards Collection" template should be outside the summary, the modifications section should use retoutched.
 * File:Dusty Baker.jpg needs a summary section with an information template.
 * I didn't upload these images, so give me a bit to check them out and clean them up. -- T orsodo g Talk 21:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * List
 * "Statistics current through 2008 season" isn't needed, one can see that through the list numbers.
 * Actually, I think it is needed because Piniella's tenure uses the term "present", however 2009 statistics are not being incorporated. -- T orsodo g Talk 21:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The General Managers section needs some prose, since it's very short.
 * This approach was taken directly from List of San Francisco Giants managers. The prose for the GM is incorporated into the article's overall lead. Do you think this should be moved? -- T orsodo g Talk 21:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Support – Excellent list.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 03:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Note FLC is currently short of reviewers; please consider reviewing one or more on the nomination list if you have not already (this message is being posted to all running FLCs). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What makes http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/051221gmround.html a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't know. I took the source directly from List of San Francisco Giants managers, a FL that passed FLN only a few months ago. You personally checked out the sources yourself and said they "look good" in that nomination. Is there a reason this doesn't pass now? If so, I can try to find a different source. -- T orsodo g Talk 21:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, it seems I must have skipped over that source for some reason. Let me look over some things... Dabomb87 (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've asked Rlendog to comment here. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whether the question relates to Baseball America in general, or to this particular webpage, so I'll try to answer with respect to both. Baseball America itself is a respected publisher of a regular magazine (not sure if it is weekly or monthly) that focuses on minor leaguers and college players, and probably the most widely used source for such information.  They also publish book such as the annual Baseball America Prospect Handbook and Baseball America Almanac (links to the 2009 editions on amazon here if that is hepful:  ).  The Almanac at least has been published for over 20 years, as I found the 1988 version on amazon .  So I would be shocked if there was doubt about the reliability of a Baseball Alamanac publication as an offline source.  As for this particular webpage, although I am not familiar with the author, it is not a blog and I relied largely on the fact that it is published by Baseball America, and therefore at least is a valid representation of what it claims to be, namely an interview with several general managers.  And it is those general managers describing their jobs that is a source for the statements in the article, which they should certainly be reliable sources on.  I believe that the statements are also nearly fully collaborated by the offline Dickson reference, although I can no longer access that edition through Google Books or Amazon's "Search Inside" feature (although I was able to "search inside" an older, shorter edition of the book and found support there for at least part of the referenced statement. Rlendog (talk) 00:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your prompt and detailed response. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments from
 * I know that lists take a different format, but why is the WP:LEAD five paragraphs. Isn't for the maximum for a conventional LEAD?
 * The lead is five paragraphs because it is summarizing over 130 years of the team's managers and general managers. There is a lot of information to cover, and I did my best to summarize it without adding any unneeded detail. -- T orsodo g Talk 03:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What if you moved the first manager into the first paragraph where it sort of belongs with the first GM. Then, you could merge the remaining second and third paragraphs without loss of content.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried it out and it looks pretty good. Check it out and tell me what you think. -- T orsodo g Talk 15:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the four manager images might look better in a multiple image template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on the images?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just tried it out. Looks pretty good! -- T orsodo g Talk 17:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments from
 * General
 * Dabs, external links, and alt text all check out fine.
 * Lead
 * Please include the acronym symbols after the spelled out version (e.g. National League (NL))
 * I think NL was the only one I missed. Added it.
 * "Split between Grimm's two managerial stints in the 1930s and 40s plus a brief appearance as manger in 1960," -- Comma before "plus"
 * Done!
 * Managers/General managers
 * Why is the # column not sortable?
 * I didn't sort it because it would sort the exact same way as the seasons column. If you think it is needed, I can add it, however.
 * Yeah I recommend it because at first glance the reader won't know (like I didn't haha)-- T ru  c o   503 03:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Added it. -- T orsodo g Talk 03:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Notes
 * Either link all the links (such as for the Manager of the Year Award) or don't link them at all because when the reader clicks on note C, they won't have the link.
 * K, I added links to all of them. -- T orsodo g Talk 03:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything else checks out fine.-- T ru  c o   503 02:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL. Great work; I recommend contacting the reviewers above to revisit the list if you have resolved their comments already.-- T ru  c o   503 16:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support from KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 13:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


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