Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Crystal Dynamics video games/archive1


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The list was promoted by NapHit 02:06, 8 January 2013.

List of Crystal Dynamics video games

 * Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ  21  15:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Dynamics was best known for developing the Legacy of Kain and Gex series, but in 2003 the studio became known for the development of the best-selling Tomb Raider franchise after its original developer, Core Design, failed to gain critical or commercial success with their later Tomb Raider games. In 2006, Tomb Raider: Legend was released; it became the fastest selling game in the series and eventually sold 4.5 million units worldwide. Crystal Dynamics then co-developed Tomb Raider: Anniversary, a remake of the first Tomb Raider game, with developer Buzz Monkey Software, and released it in June 2007. The next installment, Tomb Raider Underworld, was released on November 2008 on next-generation consoles. — ΛΧΣ  21  15:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support: Looks solid. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. Good work! Statυs  ( talk ) 04:12, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. The list looks good, and according to my point I can't find any particular issues in it. Good job! — Tomíca (T2ME) 19:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Please re-read my comments above, and then ask yourself what you forgot to change. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 19:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I read, nothing. If you are talking about the table, it will stay as it is :) — ΛΧΣ  21  19:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, not the table. There is another thing that was not changed.--Tomcat (7) 19:55, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Excuse me; I'm blind and couldn't see it yet. Your comments were (and my responses):
 * "Didn't write all dates": They are not available. usually, games released before 1996/97 are difficult to track their specific release date.
 * "You avoided listing all platform dates": this is only needed when platform dates vary.
 * "For example, this site state November 16, 2004, (it is Crash 'n Burn by the way) but you just inserted the year": That game wasn't developed by Crystal Dynamics. It is a remake by other studio that was released 11 years after the original and thus doesn't belong to this list.
 * I see no other comments. If I missed something, please let me know. I'm blind sometimes, and I apologize for that. — ΛΧΣ  21  20:18, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Crash n' Burn should be Crash 'n Burn :). Regards.--Tomcat (7) 20:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OH. That is. Yep, I'm blind sometimes. I'll fix it now. Thanks Tomcat. — ΛΧΣ  21  20:33, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments –
 * "Crystal Dynamics gained the rights of the fanchise in 1998...". "fanchise" → "franchise". Also, I'm thinking that "of" should be "to" for the sake of the sentence as a whole.
 * In the photo caption, the comma should be removed.
 * Note 14: "windows" needs capitalization.
 * In ref 2, the pp. should instead be p., as this is a single-page cite. If you're using the citation templates, changing the pages= parameter to page= will fix this. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed all. Thanks Giants. — ΛΧΣ  21  01:32, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Support
 * Makes me sad that you just use a bare wikitable instead of the other VG game list templates. This way focuses most of the attention on the platforms, while still jamming together multiple platforms by the same company, losing region-specificity, and yet not gaining sorting functionality. Oh well.
 * I don't use a bare wikitable... I use ListEntry/VG... :)
 * "showcases the correspondent title"? Did you mean "corresponding"?
 * Done.
 * You link the first 3 genres, but not "shooter". Or "action", or "adventure".
 * Done.
 * And you link Sega Saturn the fourth time you use it in the table.
 * Done.
 * You should link Feral Interactive and Square Enix in the table (each only used once).
 * Done.
 * Are all these release dates for the NA region? Or just the first place the game was released (likely the same thing)?
 * First region it was released for each platform.
 * Were none of them released in other regions if this is just NA?
 * Indeed, but I specified only the first date, regardless of the region.
 * Can you really not find more specific released dates for any of the '90s games? (or the 2006 mobile Pandemonium release)? 'Cause a quick peek at Gamespot is giving me full year-month-day for all the Gex games, at least- the 90s weren't that long ago. I know you like Allgame, but... that lack of specificity is exactly why I don't use it in my lists. (well, that and it's biased away from Japanese games and my lists are heavy on those.)
 * I was recommended not to use GameSpot as a source for dates while on my Sinistar: Unleashed FAC. So, what should I do? Can I use IGN? I don't know if GameInformer holds a pre-2000 game database. I will check again.
 * Remove the (s) from "Publisher(s)" for rows that have only one publisher, and make it "Publishers" if there's multiple. They're not column headers like "Platform(s)", there's no need to be generic.
 * Fixed the code of ListEntry/VG.
 * Find a way to make Game Boy Color fit on one line (GBC?) or find a way to denote when there's two platforms in a box besides the line break- right now it looks like some games were released for the "Game Boy" as well as the "Color" (or alternately, that some were released for the "Windows Xbox 360").
 * I made each console to fit a single line. I guess this fixes the issue.
 * Did I mention that I really don't like this table format? Though I do like the regimented release details style, you're dropping details and squashing others.
 * You have "Crash N Burn" in the table and "Crash 'n Burn" in the lead (as a redirect, as well.) "Tomb Raider" in the lead is also a redirect, as is California.
 * Done
 * Other redirects that don't look intentional- Mac OS X, Sega Dreamcast, GameCube, Whiplash, Microsoft Corporation, Crash N Burn in the table.
 * Done.
 * I wish the "notes" were integrated into the table, but that's more of a personal preference thing, I think.
 * I don't find a way to make them look good inside the table...
 * Consider archiving your refs- video game sites can be ephemeral, and all the data your citing here is more than usual subject to change without notice. -- Pres N  05:09, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh painful process that is. I will do it slowly, first on the non-Allgame refs, then the rest.
 * -- Pres N  05:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I think I have adressed all. Sorry for the late response, I was handling the issues of my FAC :) — ΛΧΣ  21  20:22, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, that was quite quick, and overnight for me. I didn't realize that you had made your own template- guess we're up to 3 different VG template styles in addition to a few variants on straight wikitables used in FLs/FLCs. Oh well, every company is different-it's not a format I'll likely use, but I'm not going to oppose over different aesthetics if it gets the job done. I'm going to let it go about the different regions- if you don't feel it's as important for Crystal Dynamics (as an American company) as it is for Square Enix (as a Japanese company) to list out the different releases for each region, that's your call. Changed to Support, good job. -- Pres N  22:20, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, As an american company, I considered that adding all the regions isn't important. Thank you for your comments PresN :) — ΛΧΣ  21  22:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Can somebody explain me what is the advantage of bunching the release data into one cell instead of having three columns which are sortable? Nergaal (talk) 09:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do we need to give so much space and highlight to release dates? The games are already ordered by release date from earliest to latest, and release dates of each game are ordered per alphabetical console names. I don't find it useful to make a column for each release date per region. It is not attractive and looks indiscriminate. — ΛΧΣ  21  18:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * However, you find it attractive or indiscriminate, but the readers will be happy to find the information they are searching for. Your Template:ListEntry/VG, created by you without discussion, has numerous missing information that are necessary.--Tomcat (7) 18:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess that after receiving the approval of PresN, nothing else needs to be discussed about how the template is designed. — ΛΧΣ  21  18:18, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You would be better served discussing the merits of each template at the relevant wiki project than here, this is not the place to discuss it. NapHit (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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