Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2012 (U.S.)/archive1


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The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC).

List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2012 (U.S.)

 * Nominator(s): HĐ (talk) 10:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the whole list recently. It meets all the criteria for a featured list, and it's also similar to List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2011 (U.S.). I'll do my best to address your reviews. Thank you! HĐ (talk) 10:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support: The article looks to be well-written and all the references are good links. My only suggestion would be to write out the dates in the references (like January 1, 2013 instead of 2013-01-01), because my understanding is that formatting is a preference among other FAs. But good work nonetheless! WikiRedactor (talk) 19:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 02:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support —  AARON  &bull; TALK   22:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch! HĐ (talk) 10:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry, I still don't. Are you saying that We Found Love doesn't count as a number-one single of 2012? Because the title of this article is "List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2012", and We Found Love is the second one in the list. If it doesn't "count" as a number-one single of 2012, for whatever reason, then it's beyond the scope of this list, and should be removed. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 16:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per below discussion. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 06:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "the former is excluded from the count". I was a bit confused by this. What "count", exactly?
 * It means the former is not counted as a number-one single that year.
 * So "We Found Love" isn't counted as being a number-one single in 2011?
 * Yes.
 * I'm still a bit confused. The article says that "We Found Love" topped the chart in 2011. Surely it should be counted as being a number-one single that year? A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 22:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not being counted as a No. 1 in 2012 since it first topped the chart in 2011. --21:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, now I'm not sure about something. First it says, "Throughout 2012, a total of 13 singles claimed the number-one position. One of which was Rihanna's song 'We Found Love'" (so it's part of the count here?). Then it says, "Rihanna was the only artist to achieve multiple number-one singles, with 'We Found Love' and 'Diamonds', although the former is excluded from the count because it previously topped the chart in 2011." (What count is it talking about here? She either did have multiple number ones – in which case, it's being counted – or she didn't because it's not being counted. I think that exclusion claim can be removed without losing anything from the context.) -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:08, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've fixed the issue. HĐ (talk) 09:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's really a fix, I'm afraid – you've just moved the problematic sentence out of the lead and into a note at the bottom. The lead states that 13 singles reached number one this year – the only way that this would be possible would be if "We Found Love" counted as a number one. Yet note A says that it doesn't count. So which is it? Personally, the former makes the most sense to me. I don't understand the rationale in ignoring a 2012 number one simply because it was also number-one in 2011. If you follow that argument through to its logical conclusion, does that then mean that if "We Found Love" had topped the chart in late-2011 and remained at number one throughout 2012 and into 2013 then the lead would be saying "Throughout 2012, no singles claimed the number-one position"? A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 11:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Any update on my above concern here? A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 23:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you check the list of 2011? Because I did this list based on the 2011 list. HĐ (talk) 08:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll bring it up at the talk page there, but for now regretful oppose . This article completely contradicts itself. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 11:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please check again, I've fixed it. HĐ (talk) 02:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that it still seems contradictory to me. The lead states that "12 singles claimed the number-one position", then, in the very next sentence, it says that "13 singles topped the chart". Presumably "claimed the number-one position" and "topped the chart" mean the same thing, so how can there be two different numbers? A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 23:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The first sentence indicates the number of singles which were counted as number-one singles (12), while the next sentence explained that why there are 13 singles claimed the top spot, but only 12 were counted. Do you understand clearly now? HĐ (talk) 09:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it doesn't count as a number-one single in 2012. I explained that because it peaked at no. 1 in 2011, previously? It peaked at number one in 2011, so it was counted to be the number-one single in 2011, not 2012. I think it's clear enough. HĐ (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so if it isn't a number-one single of 2012, how can it be in a list of number-one singles of 2012? Also, where exactly has this definition of a "number-one single of 2012" actually come from? Is it an official Billboard definition, or just something that Wikipedia editors have come up with? I can't find any Billboard article that says that it We Found Love doesn't "count" as a 2012 number one (it's not mentioned here or here, for example). This source lists it as beign a number one of 2012 (although I'm not sure how reliable it is). A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 16:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Although it reached number one in 2012 but it previously reached the top spot in 2011, that's why it was counted as a number-one single in 2011, not 2012 anymore. That's all I can explain. HĐ (talk) 02:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Then I'm afraid that it sounds to me like the idea that a single doesn't "count" as a number-one in a year if it has already topped the chart in a previous year is original research – I can't find anything on Billboard to support it. My oppose stands. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 06:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not original research at all. Go to Billboard.com, find a year-end report, and you'll see that this strange way of counting singles was created by Billboard itself. If you oppose only stands by this, I'm afraid it must be dismissed. — ΛΧΣ  21  17:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd say that concerns regarding a list not meeting Wikipedia's content guidelines (such as no original research) are a perfectly fair reason to oppose an article becoming a FL. Also, I'm afraid that you may have to point me directly to these year-end reports. The closest things that I can find (e.g. this and this) don't seem to mention number ones at all. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 23:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose this is a fork according to 3.b. Nergaal (talk) 01:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you define from which article this information has been forked please? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2010s (U.S.), as per many other previous FLs. Nergaal (talk)
 * It's not. It has more information and refs than the 2010s list. Please check FLs of previous years (02, 03, 04, 06, 07, 08, and 11). HĐ (talk) 10:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically it has ONLY 13 distinct entries. Please see: List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Songs from the 1980s, List of number-one Billboard Christian Songs of the 2000s, List of 1950s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of 1960s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of 1970s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of 1980s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of 1990s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of 2000s UK Singles Chart number ones, List of best-selling singles of the 1960s (UK), List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (UK), List of NME number-one singles from the 1960s, List of 2000s UK Albums Chart number ones, List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums from the 1990s for precedents. Nergaal (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thirteen entries seems fine per 3b, where is this list forked from? Which precise article is this forked from please?  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support on prose and scope. Good job. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Crisco ! HĐ (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Comments  Cassianto Talk   10:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "The Billboard Hot 100 is a chart that ranks the best-performing songs in the United States" — I don't know whether saying "of" instead of "in" is an American format, so please excuse me if it is.
 * Obviously the tag will need addressing.
 * Note B — we have a duplicate ref (56). I would delete the first 56 and leave the one at the end of the sentence.


 * Question am I really the only one who sees this list as a 3.b-problem? Nergaal (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to be the case, as evidenced by the various comments and supports above. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as evidence goes, that's pretty weak. Supporters may just not have considered criterion 3b.  Asking them to clarify their position might help.   Good  raise  19:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, I thought reviewers should be reviewing against all the criteria, not just some of them. Silly me.  The Rambling Man (talk) 09:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose, painfully obvious content fork of List of Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles of the 2010s.  Good raise  19:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


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