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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 20 January 2023 (UTC).

List of Hot R&B Sides number ones of 1959

 * Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

With 1958 having now picked up multiple supports, here's 1959. In this particular year, James Brown, one of the greatest African-American artists of all time, gained his first chart-topper. I'd imagine if you had asked at the time how he felt, he would have replied "I feel good, I knew that I would!" :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments by EN-Jungwon
--  EN  - Jungwon  12:17, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "The Clouds" should sort by "Clouds". (occurs twice)
 * I recommend archiving all the references.
 * Add abbr template to "Ref." heading in the table.
 * done apart from the archiving. I don't know how to do that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support --  EN  - Jungwon  02:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Dank

 * Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
 * "[the chart ranks songs] in African-American-oriented musical genres". That's certainly the history of R&B, for decades, but is it really appropriate in 2022 to say that R&B is oriented towards blacks, or salsa is oriented towards Latinos, or polka is oriented towards old white Midwesterners? Is that normally how we discuss music in 2022? I'd be the last person to know, really, it just seems to me that, if you can find some justification to use past tense, that might be safer. - Dank (push to talk) 16:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "Brown is among a number of the year's chart-topping acts to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in recognition of their success and influence; Wilson, Lloyd Price, the Drifters, Ray Charles, Fats Domino, and the Coasters have also been inducted into the Hall of Fame.": Do you happen to know if there were any other chart-toppers from 1959 who have been inducted? If this is the whole list, then it would be best to drop "among a number".
 * One of the Jackie Wilson rows isn't sorting correctly (and you already know about The Clouds).
 * "Kansas City" is a double-redirect.
 * Checking the FLC criteria:
 * 1. The prose checks out. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
 * 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
 * 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
 * 3b. The list is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
 * 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
 * 4. It is navigable.
 * 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
 * 6. It is stable.
 * Close enough for a support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 16:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * good point re African-American-oriented musical genres but I can't think of a good alternative - "music of African-American origin"? Is it even that strictly accurate......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, I don't know if this will work: "Best-selling" isn't precisely the same thing as "Hot", "Soul" isn't precisely the same thing as "R&B" (or Hip-Hop!) ... so even if sources are saying "this is exactly the same chart as the 2022 chart", it really can't be ... not if people generally interpreted the title to mean something different, and they probably did. So you might be able to get away with past tense, as you have in all the R&B lists up to now (I think). Past tense would probably work. - Dank (push to talk) 19:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * had a go at an alternative intro....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I like it. - Dank (push to talk) 20:28, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments from HAL
That's all - very clean and well done. It's a shame that I couldn't help with the tail end of those country lists, but I'm glad to see you're still at it. Also, have a Merry Christmas! ~ HAL  333  20:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "African-American" usually isn't hyphenated. (This is the only real issue I could find.)
 * Are "the Spacemen" maybe worthy of a redlink?
 * Could we get a contemporary photo of Brown or at least one where he's in his prime? This one from '69 may work if cropped, and this one from '77 isn't bad either. There are a few others, but it's your choice in the end :)
 * - thanks for your review. Points 1 and 3 fixed.  Re: point 2, as far as I can see The Spacemen were to all intents and purposes a pseudonym for Sammy Benskin, so I'm not sure it merits a separate redlink..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * All good. Happy to support. ~ HAL  333  18:50, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Source review from BennyOnTheLoose

 * All sources appear to be reliable and suitable.
 * Could add the page number for Jet
 * Spot check on "Lloyd Price Discography": Although not his most successful song, "Personality" would become Price's signature song and lead to the nickname "Mr. Personality" - not supported by the live link, which is to Price's album discography. (Archive link is not working at the moment.)
 * Spot check on Jet: "an ensemble led by pianist and bandleader": source has "pianist" and "wrote and recorded", so this feels like a bit of a stretch from that source alone.
 * Spot checks on Billboard charts for 1 January and 5 October both fine.
 * Spot check on who would go on to become one of the most successful and influential artists in the history of black American music and to be regarded as one of the all-time greats across all genres. - no issues.
 * Checked details of the Whitburn books (year, publisher, ISBN) in WorldCat, all fine.
 * - additional sources added for points 3 and 4 -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Pass for source review. Thanks, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Image review from BennyOnTheLoose

 * Images are all either PDM or CC. I had no concerns with licensing.
 * Images are appropriate, with suitable captions, and positioning is OK. ALT text is provided.

Pass for image review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:13, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding a Support. Looks good to me. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:24, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  01:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


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