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List of House episodes
After an ugly history of copyvios, I believe that the kinks of this article have been ironed out. The list, as it is an episode list of a still-airing show, won't ever be completly finished, but the list is comprehensive and organized. There hasn't ever been an edit war on this article, as well. PullToOpenTalk 00:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator - PullToOpenTalk 00:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The level of detail in the plot summaries is inconsistant. Some are single sentences and others are full paragraphs. It would be better to fill the single sentences than to cut the paragraphs. Jay32183 17:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - per excessive use of fair use images. Renata 17:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * erm... this again. -- Ned Scott 20:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Without getting into a screen shot debate (again), they would at least need fair use rationales written up for them. For example, Image:The Serpent's Lair.jpg, Image:Lost title card.jpg, etc. -- Ned Scott 20:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have just put fair use rationales on every screenshot used on that page. PullToOpenTalk 20:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. -- Ned Scott 23:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support - good list - good use of fair use images within a list - a good example to other lists - I would however like to see the 4:3 squares removed and replaced with a true 16:9 tv screen capture. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Issues with references and episode summary:
 * The WP:NOR policy clearly says that secondary sources are preferable to primary (i.e. making the reader watch the program to verify the info). With this series, there exist numerous secondary sources from which to draw on. This includes the official Fox web site, that contains a page per episode that could be an inline citation for each one. This would also provide a reference for the "Original airdate" that is currely unsourced. It would provide a much preferred reference on which to check the episode summary.
 * Speaking of which... the formulaic nature of House means that practially every episode follows the same path of exotic differential diagnoses before concluding with the correct illness. If the editors are serious about writing an encyclopedia rather than a TV Guide, then the conclusion must be included in this list, either as a table-cell or in the summary. Wikilinking the exotic illness(es) would greatly enhance this list's usefulness. Imagine a list of football matches that didn't include the final score.
 * The few references that there are, include IMDB. The reason why this is not a reliable source can be found in the text at the bottom of the IMDB episode-list page "You may add a new episode for this TV series by clicking the button on the left."
 * The lead is short and of US focus (I know it is a US drama, but is is broadcast worldwide).
 * Clicking on just the first three pictures shows that they don't have fair use rationales (there needs to be one for every "use" that you claim to be "fair"). Renata is entitled to express her interpretation of the fair-use rules, which so far haven't been decisively established one way or another by anyone of legal and unbiased opinion. The usual excuse of "identifying the episode" is particularly lame for some of the pictures as they consist merely of puzzled doctors that could be taken from any episode.
 * Colin°Talk 23:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- decorative use of unfree images. Jkelly 00:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Question Just for clarity, is this the "there are too many" or the "they weren't carefully selected and don't have the informative purpose" argument? Jay32183 01:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This has been said on almost every single FLC for episode lists, including those promoted to FL status. It's more of an argument for a larger fair-use discussion than it is for this FLC. The fact of the matter is that we don't all agree on what is excessive / decorative use of screen shots on a list of episodes. I don't see this as an objection that can reasonably stop a list's promotion. -- Ned Scott 05:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 *  Oppose : I agree with Colin: it needs the diagnosis. -- User:Docu
 * A list of the diseases that each episode features is being created at List of diseases featured on House. Would the two lists be merged? PTO 18:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. If there is a separate list with that info, this is sufficient for me. -- User:Docu
 * Weak oppose: Far better than I remember it from a few weeks ago, but the airdates need sourcing. Plus, the diagnoses are needed, which are in progress. -- Wizardman 03:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Some of the synopses could use work, eg: "After returning to work after being shot, House takes on two cases at the same time" isn't overly informative, and repetition of "after" should be eliminated. The bolded ref marks in the titles near the end look odd, but that's a quick with the design of Episode list. On the other hand, the episode number field is narrow - could the season episode number use the "EpisodeNumber2" field? Gimmetrow 00:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)