Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Jacksonville Jaguars seasons/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC).

List of Jacksonville Jaguars seasons

 * Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

This is my third nomination of an NFL team season list and I believe it meets all of our criteria. The format is based on past successful nominations of List of Detroit Lions seasons and List of New Orleans Saints seasons. As always, I will do my best to respond quickly to address any and all concerns that are brought up. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Pseud 14

 * No issues with prose in the lead. I do think "winningest" is a bit informal, perhaps consider tweaking that in the caption.
 * I think the image placement needs to be redone. Perhaps move Tom's image under the "Seasons" section so it doesn't overcrowd your lead. (similar to the other FLs of Detroit and New Orleans). Seems File:Tom Coughlin crop.jpg is a much better image. Pseud 14 (talk) 21:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pseud 14: Thank you for suggestion that image, I've replaced it in the article and moved it under the season section, per your suggestion. I've also tweaked the caption. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

 * "The Jaguars are one of four teams to have never played in a Super Bowl" - I'd change this to "The Jaguars are one of four current NFL teams to have never played in a Super Bowl" as there are plenty of other teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.
 * "Despite never having played in a Super Bowl, the team has played in the AFC Championship Game on three occasions (1996, 1999, and 2017)" - I'd be tempted to reframe this as "The team has played in the AFC Championship Game on three occasions (1996, 1999, and 2017) but lost each time"
 * That's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @ChrisTheDude: Took your advice on both, done! Thank you very much for the feedback :) Hey man im josh (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * MPGuy2824
 * "The team plays its home games at EverBank Stadium in Central Jacksonville." The ref after this does not support this statement. Also, it should probably be "central".
 * Wikilink the first instance of "playoffs".
 * Is there a reason that the 1995 row is set to sort at the top?
 * Sorting by the "Finish" column leads to some weird stuff happening with the "All-time regular & postseason record" columns. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824: I prepped this list so long ago and I clearly should have given it a better lookover since I prepped it when I Was much less experienced than I am now. All of the sorting issues have been resolved and I've added a wikilink at the first instance of playoffs. I've also actually updated their location to "downtown Jacksonville" with a reference. Thank you very much for the review and feedback! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Some of the keys (T-#, Pct, ‡Super Bowl champions and *Conference champions) aren't applicable to this team/list and can be removed unless you are keeping them in for consistency with other similar lists.
 * Is "at" a common abbreviation for "against" in the Hand Egg world? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I hid those portions of the key, thanks for that suggestion @MPGuy2824. The "at" is a standard descriptor in most North American sports from what I'm aware of. It's meant to represent that the game was not a home game. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Dajasj

 * Do the bottom three rows (the Totals) really need to be double bold?
 * I understand why you do it, but I think it would be simpler if you only link to the page of the team of that season, and not the season page (so skip the first column). A reader can still reach it through the team page and it makes the table smaller which is great for mobile.
 * I also understand why you included League and Conference, but I would only do that when there are different values. Now it makes the table more complex (and I expect a row to be different).
 * It might be too late to change the format, but I would prefer the postseason in a seperate table. Right now, it makes the table unnecessary long (so I can compare less on my desktop screen), while only adding info to one column. Same point for Awards btw.
 * I believe the Head Coach can be made sortable, so you can sort to get the season with the most wins for a head coach.
 * I have not used it myself so I am not sure of the downsides, but excluding the final rows from sorting would be great. Dajasj (talk) 21:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dajasj:
 * Do the bottom three rows (the Totals) really need to be double bold? – I hadn't noticed they were doubled. It doesn't really affect anything, but it's been removed.
 * I understand why you do it, but I think it would be simpler if you only link to the page of the team of that season, and not the season page (so skip the first column). A reader can still reach it through the team page and it makes the table smaller which is great for mobile. – You say easily, but when you navigate to the season pages there's no direct links to the season themselves in many cases. I don't think this would be an improvement to the table or better serve our readers in any way.
 * I also understand why you included League and Conference, but I would only do that when there are different values. Now it makes the table more complex (and I expect a row to be different). – I disagree. The league and conference are relevant and can and have changed for a number of different NFL teams. This is part of the standard format for lists of NFL team seasons for that reason and it would be odd to have this page follow a different format than the rest.
 * It might be too late to change the format, but I would prefer the postseason in a seperate table. Right now, it makes the table unnecessary long (so I can compare less on my desktop screen), while only adding info to one column. Same point for Awards btw. – That may be your preference but I would find two separate tables, one for playoffs and one for the seasons, to be much less informative and to just be a split for the sake of splitting, not to actually make any sort of improvement. The awards column is also reserved for major awards only and isn't bulky or overwhelming in any sense.
 * I believe the Head Coach can be made sortable, so you can sort to get the season with the most wins for a head coach. – This list is focused on the seasons as opposed to the head coaches themselves. While it's not included there, it may be more appropriate for List of Jacksonville Jaguars head coaches. The difficulty in making these tables sortable be sortable in the way you suggest is that coaches sometimes have partial seasons which are split with another coach.
 * I have not used it myself so I am not sure of the downsides, but excluding the final rows from sorting would be great. – That was the intention, and it's been implemented, as per the comments in the section above.
 * Thank you for the feedback. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding the second point, maybe it makes more sense to merge the first column (Season) and the third (column) League? For example linking NFL to 1995 NFL season. That way you won't have to duplicate the years, and you can add a link to the NFL text that is useful. You won't lose any information. Dajasj (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dajasj: The history of the NFL involves a couple of mergers (List of Los Angeles Chargers seasons, List of New England Patriots seasons) teams joining from other leagues (List of Los Angeles Rams seasons), and several teams being independent prior to their joining of the NFL (List of Chicago Bears seasons, List of Green Bay Packers seasons). These examples are just some of the lists for seasons that have already been promoted to featured lists, but this is why these are two separate columns. That's why the information is there and why it's useful, even if to just state that they started as an NFL franchise and have been for the entirety of their existence. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm no longer suggesting complete removal. But what if we do it like this (see the link in the second column)? If I'm not mistaken, we don't lose any information, while avoiding duplication in the Year & Team column? Should also work for all teams, or I am then still missing something? Dajasj (talk) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dajasj: You are suggesting removal of a column though. I think your proposed version is also an WP:EASTEREGG, given that you'd expect that shortcut to lead to National Football League. If you want to propose changes to all 32 team lists you'd be better off doing so at WT:NFL because, even if I agreed with the proposed changes, I don't feel comfortable making that sort of wide spread change on all of these articles without proper discussion. Especially considering 16 of them are already featured lists and utilize this format. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dajasj: Do you have any more feedback? Hey man im josh (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope, that's it :) Dajasj (talk) 11:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you for your review and feedback! Hey man im josh (talk) 11:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support from Gonzo_fan2007
I got noting else. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Why the use of clear? Seems to just create white space, regardless of the screen size.
 * They have made the playoffs a total of eight times. I would recommend two changes here: get rid of "a total of" as just fluff words, and then I would really recommend moving to the beginning of the paragraph, so it would say something like The Jaguars have made the playoffs eight times, although they are one of four current NFL teams to have never played in a Super Bowl, along with the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, and Houston Texans. This way the paragraph opens with what you are then going to talk about.


 * @Gonzo fan2007: Thank you taking a look over this nomination! I agree, I've removed the clear template and made the changes you've suggested. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 17:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Source review – Reference reliability and formatting both look okay across the board, and the link-checker tool reveals no issues. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  13:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


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