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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 20:18, 10 October 2009.

List of Jericho episodes

 * Nominator(s): NW ( Talk ) 02:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I worked on this article over the past spring, and intended to featured status one day. For some reason that I can't really remember, I never really brought it through the process, and instead let it sit there. Staxringold and I were talking about FLCs earlier today, and he encouraged me to nominate the article, so I figured I might as well. So, what do you guys think? NW ( Talk ) 02:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * Content
 * 1) "Set in the fictional town of Jericho, Kansas, in the aftermath of the "September attacks", simultaneous nuclear attacks on 23 American cities, the series follows the town's struggle to survive." Is very hard to understand. Please rephrase.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Rephrased.
 * 1) "The first season begins with the" and "The second season begins with the" is to repetitive please change.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC
 * Rephrased.
 * 1) "Jericho originally aired" why "originally" ?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it has reaired since, on The CW, for example.
 * 1) "Episodes of Jericho are also available in various new media formats." Why "also"? and shouldn't this be after the DVD release or how was this exactly handled?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed around a bit.
 * 1) Try to find the viewers number per episode or generally of each season and add it in the overview.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Added.
 * 1) Provide a better rational for using the image on the list.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Expanded slightly.
 * 1) Are there release dates for region 3 and 4 ?
 * Region 4 added; I don't believe that Jericho was released in Region 3.
 * 1) It should be "Originally aired in the US" not just Originally aired.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would disagree; the US release was the first global one, so the two are synonymous.
 * 1) Please have two paragraphs before each Season Section describing the Season's reception, awards, general plot, production and cast. Since there aren't any Season articles this is were Readers would go to to read about a season.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That information should really just go in Jericho (TV Series), otherwise this article would be a simple condensation of that article.
 * I guess you're right...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Rferences
 * 1) "Jericho - The Complete Series, notes from Booklet" what booklet? DVD? Give a link please or make it more clear like "DVD booklet". And it's Paramount who released the DVD I think.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * 1) "Jericho - Season 1 (DVD)". Amazon.co.uk. is broken --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed the link.
 * 1) "CBS cancels Jericho despite fan fervor" why do u quote this eventhough it's accessible?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Quote removed.
 * Format
 * 1) The header of the first column is Empty. Add Seasons--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * 1) The "Complete Series" row in the Overview is unnecessary and not needed. You have already covered it in the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we might as well mention the airdate. In any case, the table format is easier for someone to just take a look and find the information.
 * I guess it's ok...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Expand the last paragraph of the lead.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With what? I am not sure what else would be appropriate to add.
 * How about with reviews or awards (reception)? --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Per the other comment, I think such a thing would be better off in Jericho (TV Series)
 * 1) Why do u provide archived links as main, eventhough their originals are still working?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of these sites have the tendency to die occasionally. Might as well have the archived links just in case.
 * Well the archived links should be in case they die and not be the links under the title. Is it possible to have this switched? Like "XXX" archived on "Webcite XXX" ? --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that is a Template talk:Cite web issue, though I agree with you. NW ( Talk ) 20:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Include a right column with the Seasons color like on List of Dexter episodes in the overview.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't really see the point. There are only two seasons; it isn't like people will forget which season they are looking at.
 * I mean it's better from an aesthetic perspective.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually think it makes it look worse (at least in preview), and I really don't see the need for it.
 * 1) What are the Table colors based on? DVD color code or what exactly? If not based on anything then please change the color because it's really too bright. Change it to an elementary color or something.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not really based on anything, as the colors of the DVD set boxes are too scattered to be of use. What hexadecimal colors would you suggest?
 * How about 85CAFF and 4B96BD?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * They are both a shade of blue, so I only changed the green one to one of them.
 * 1) Why are there 22.5 Episodes in Season 1? This isn't mentioned in the lead and there isn't a 22.5th epiosde. Please clarify.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Eek, I didn't know how to do this. Episode "11.5", Return to Jericho, is not actually numbered, but most definitely exists. IGN labeled it as episode 11.5, so I followed their trend. NW ( Talk ) 20:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You can do this via a special episode table/section. But please don't include this into the actual list of episodes.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Change the episode number to be 22 and complete=29 . 11.5 Is special and shouldn't be counted in there.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * 1) Please add an average viewer rate for each season at the overview.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.


 * I think I managed to cover all of your points, Diaa abelmoneim. NW ( Talk ) 19:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess that's all I can see for now. I really hate this original and archived links. There should be a switch like dead=true would make it look like it looks now and dead=false means only the original link should be displayed. I'll wait a day or two then support. Maybe I'll find something while reading through the episode summaries. I suggest you read the read a couple of times and see if you can improve it in any way, then move on to read the episode summaries since most FLCs episode summaries contain grammar and spelling mistakes.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) " However, he leaves" Is the "however" really needed there?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) "As he is driving away" "while" ?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) "The episode opens with Robert Hawkins, clad in an Hazmat suit" "Robert Hawkins is clad in a Hazmat suit"--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) "Goetz, a Ravenwood unit leader, commandeers gasoline from Stanley's farm." reword (truck, bottles what??)--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I addressed all four concerns there. NW ( Talk ) 15:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) "Gray Anderson, later revealed as having left the heart attack victim to die, publicly challenges Mayor Green, who in return privately attacks him." is the event important enough to be in the summary?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) "Robert Hawkins is clad in an Hazmat suit, moving a large metal canister and other items from a small moving truck into a storage locker." why is this important event in the episode?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) "The town holds a cookout and the Hawkins family wishes to attend, but Robert Hawkins will not let them do so. " why is that important?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) "When Jake leaves, Miller tells Hawkins of an unidentified traitor " I think "about" would be better.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Type out ICBM the first time their mentioned.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Try to reduce the summaries to the bare minimum, since they have their own articles. I think 4 lines should be a maximum... --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Neutral from I can't support with a good conscience right now because I think the prose is at best undistinguished. You've probably had at least one copy-editor for this list, but I must regretfully say that it needs more polishing. Spot checks of the summaries revealed logic errors, awkward sentence structure, and general wordiness. I do think the writing is saveable in the timeframe of FLC if you can find someone to polish it, which is why I am neutral right now. I have a few questions about things I encountered in my spot checks:
 * Why is "Morse Code" capitalized?
 * "faint news report" How is a news report "faint"?
 * "Jonah attempts to drive a wedge between Jake and the townspeople before leaving." What do you mean by "drive a wedge"? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.