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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 18:02, 14 February 2009.

List of Kansas City Chiefs starting quarterbacks
This article was previously reviewed for Featured List status, but back then, there were not many other NFL "starting quarterbacks" lists. Some objected to the format of the list but now that others have seemed to copy off my idea, I think it's ready to be passed. There are many references and it has been updated thoroughly. '' conman33 (. . .talk)  08:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

 Weak Oppose/ Comments from  - prose/formatting issues
 * Lead
 * The Kansas City Chiefs are a professional American football team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Chiefs are a member of the Western Division of the American Football Conference (AFC) in the National Football League (NFL).  - there is no reason to give an acronym for the AFC since its not mentioned again in the article.
 * Numerous backup quarterbacks have successfully led the franchise in the starter's absence, most notably Mike Livingston and Rich Gannon. - why are they notable?
 * Davidson played with the franchise from 1960 to 1962,[4] by then Len Dawson was acquired through free agency and played for the Chiefs . - wouldn't it be "Texans/Chiefs"? In addition, remove the extra space between Chiefs and the period
 * Three future Hall of Famers played for Kansas City including Dawson, Joe Montana, and Warren Moon. - comma before including
 * In the 2008 season, the team's most recent, the Chiefs alternated the starting quarterback position between Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, and Tyler Thigpen. - I know it sounds redundant, but you need to state that it was the team's most recent "season"
 * Thigpen played in 11 games in the 2008 season following season-ending injuries Croyle and Huard, but managed to lead the Chiefs to a 1-10 record as starting quarterback. - this sentence does not make sense, I hope you spot the error towards the middle of the sentence
 * Starting quarterbacks
 * The team's primary starting quarterback, or the quarterback that started at the beginning of the season, is listed first. The number of games started in the season is listed in small parentheses. Statistics do not include post-season starts. - this would be best represented in a table key not in words
 * Starting quarterbacks by season (1960–2008) - is it necessary to have (1960-2008) in the header? Its not like there are sections broken up to represent other eras.
 * Having the starting quarterbacks column sortable isn't the best idea because some entries have two people and it really isn't representative. Either, remove the sortability function for that column or list each season more than once and list the quarterbacks in each of those extra instances
 * Notes
 * Since the 1978 NFL season all teams have played 16-game schedules. - comma after season
 * Strikes by the National Football League Players Association in the 1982 and 1987 seasons resulted in shortened seasons (9- and 15-game schedules, respectively). - why does the 9 have a dash next to it?
 * Blackledge started the first six games of the 1984 season before Kenney was retained as the starter after a thumb injury. - comma before before
 * In 2006, Huard filled in for an injured Green after Green suffered a concussion in the first game of the season and threw 11 touchdowns and only one interception. Green returned in week 11 and finished the season with 7 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. - its irrelevant to say his game stats
 * By Week 3 of the 2008 season, Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, and Tyler Thigpen had all started one game each.[6] Both Croyle and Huard suffered injuries in their respective starts in Weeks 1 nand 2. - typo on and
 * Be consistent, link all the players name mentioned in the notes or don't link them at all.
 * Note A, B, C, D, and G need verification by a source.
 * References
 * The section called notes under the table should be called "footnotes" and the "further reading" section should be called "References", or you could rename this section to "References" and make the book a general reference and the rest specific references as seen here-- TRU    CO   17:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

(Resolved comments by nominator)
 * Lead
 * The Kansas City Chiefs are a professional American football team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Chiefs are a member of the Western Division of the American Football Conference (AFC) in the National Football League (NFL).  - there is no reason to give an acronym for the AFC since its not mentioned again in the article. - DONE
 * Numerous backup quarterbacks have successfully led the franchise in the starter's absence, most notably Mike Livingston and Rich Gannon. - why are they notable? - DONE - Removed, this was from History of Kansas City Chiefs quarterbacks, but being this is an article about starters, it's not notable here.
 * Davidson played with the franchise from 1960 to 1962,[4] by then Len Dawson was acquired through free agency and played for the Chiefs . - wouldn't it be "Texans/Chiefs"? In addition, remove the extra space between Chiefs and the period - DONE - changed from "Chiefs" to "franchise"
 * Three future Hall of Famers played for Kansas City including Dawson, Joe Montana, and Warren Moon. - comma before including - DONE
 * In the 2008 season, the team's most recent, the Chiefs alternated the starting quarterback position between Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, and Tyler Thigpen. - I know it sounds redundant, but you need to state that it was the team's most recent "season" - DONE - added "(2008)" in parentheses, link to 2008 season article
 * Thigpen played in 11 games in the 2008 season following season-ending injuries Croyle and Huard, but managed to lead the Chiefs to a 1-10 record as starting quarterback. - this sentence does not make sense, I hope you spot the error towards the middle of the sentence - DONE - re-worded, hope it's better
 * Starting quarterbacks
 * The team's primary starting quarterback, or the quarterback that started at the beginning of the season, is listed first. The number of games started in the season is listed in small parentheses. Statistics do not include post-season starts. - this would be best represented in a table key not in words
 * Starting quarterbacks by season (1960–2008) - is it necessary to have (1960-2008) in the header? Its not like there are sections broken up to represent other eras. - DONE - removed
 * Having the starting quarterbacks column sortable isn't the best idea because some entries have two people and it really isn't representative. Either, remove the sortability function for that column or list each season more than once and list the quarterbacks in each of those extra instances - DONE - changed to unsortable, The last review I underwent told me to change this to a sortable table.
 * Notes
 * Since the 1978 NFL season all teams have played 16-game schedules. - comma after season - DONE
 * Strikes by the National Football League Players Association in the 1982 and 1987 seasons resulted in shortened seasons (9- and 15-game schedules, respectively). - why does the 9 have a dash next to it? - DONE - "9-" was added as if it were to say "9-game" or "15-game"
 * Blackledge started the first six games of the 1984 season before Kenney was retained as the starter after a thumb injury. - comma before before - DONE
 * In 2006, Huard filled in for an injured Green after Green suffered a concussion in the first game of the season and threw 11 touchdowns and only one interception. Green returned in week 11 and finished the season with 7 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. - its irrelevant to say his game stats - DONE - That must have been added in by someone else, I agree that it's not relevant.
 * By Week 3 of the 2008 season, Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, and Tyler Thigpen had all started one game each.[6] Both Croyle and Huard suffered injuries in their respective starts in Weeks 1 nand 2. - typo on and - DONE
 * Be consistent, link all the players name mentioned in the notes or don't link them at all. - DONE
 * Note A, B, C, D, and G need verification by a source.
 * References
 * The section called notes under the table should be called "footnotes" and the "further reading" section should be called "References", or you could rename this section to "References" and make the book a general reference and the rest specific references as seen here - DONE


 * TO-DO
 * Insert table to replace "The team's primary starting quarterback, or the quarterback that started at the beginning of the season, is listed first. The number of games started in the season is listed in small parentheses. Statistics do not include post-season starts." - DONE
 * Sortable or unsortable columns? - DONE
 * We'll need a consensus. Like I said, the previous FL review I made told me to change the table into a sortable format, but now I'm told to make it unsortable. If unsortable, should I remove the templates that make names easy to sort?
 * All recently promoted sports lists of people (football and basketball) do not use sortable tables. I say that sorting isn't necessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Note A, B, C, D, and G need verification by a source. - DONE
 * Found link for Note B (1978 season) and Note C (strikes). Removed 3 notes detailing injuries that made Dawson/Livingston, Grbac/Gannon, and Green/Huard rotate the starting job. This sounds too detailed and if anybody wants to read up on them, check out History of Kansas City Chiefs quarterbacks or their own respective articles. I felt they were too much and irrelevant in a broad sense.

'' conman33 (. . .talk)  06:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, when all my comments have been addressed, notify me.-- TRU  CO   22:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks much better, the only thing, however, is that links to the proper seasons should be linked in the lead. In addition, the year column should be made sortable. Lastly, the last part of the lead should be part of the second paragraph, its too short to stand alone on by itself.-- TRU  CO   14:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * DONE '' conman33 (. . .talk)  01:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.-- TRU CO   503  01:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 05:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources
 * Refs 88 and 89 need publishers. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * DONE '' conman33 (. . .talk)  01:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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